2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Tim could you please produce the supposed documents that you have stated you are in possession of?
As whatever the decision of your members ultimately may affect myself and my members in the future I feel it is very important for you to share the items you claim to have that will substantiate your position.

im not looking to substantiate my position nor do i expect to have a certified document but what will be put out will be objective. For instance, the extra week vacation starts after 25 years. I was thinking it was 29 but wiki said 25 years for extra week.

Ill try to get things together soon but i readily admit that the language issues will have to wait till the union bosses decide to share the information.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I don't know where you are getting your information but you are not accurate. A release is possible still or more dates. I would love to see your term sheet.
 
P. Rez

That is incorrect sir. You guys goosed a release by moving off the impasse sir. I suppose nothing can stop you from asking for a release but it would be absurd and ridiculous at this point since you guys moved off your impasse. Kindly review delaneys updates and basketts emails talking about great progress. Also it wont hurt for you to redouble your efforts and informing the membership of the single carrier.

 

[Kev3188]

To this day, I personally have a bone to pick with the IAM, because if they would have focused some, (and I do me SOME) effort not a lot but some, they could have won an EASY election. We were ready, and the pieces were in place to win. People were on the ground and the Union cause was finally able to take hold. I personally knew some people who was talking to the IAM and efforts was made to put a drive together. Problem was that the IAM can't multitask. At that time, they was trying to organize Delta,(which in my opinion is nearly impossible - sorry KEV.) AND deal with a Boeing strike. Bottom line was it was there for the taking and minimal resources could have been put in.

I hear ya. Interestingly (or not), a lot of people on our side of the house were concerned that they were too busy at CO to focus on our election. Go figure.
 
 

You need to go tell TR to knock it off with the no-layoff plan substituting for scope as well. And, please, no meeting AH halfway on scope concessions.  56 means 56, not 84 or 98.
He is going backwards when him and delaney should have grandfathered all current stations. These guys are killing our craft over the last 6 years. Killing it.  Cripes, our bankrupt contract is looking better than what these dopes are dicking around with.

+1

I really hope all this talk of agreeing to raised thresholds is just hot air...

 

[WeAAsles]

im not looking to substantiate my position nor do i expect to have a certified document but what will be put out will be objective. For instance, the extra week vacation starts after 25 years. I was thinking it was 29 but wiki said 25 years for extra week.

Ill try to get things together soon but i readily admit that the language issues will have to wait till the union bosses decide to share the information.

Just as I thought. Another Tim Nelson Red Herring.
 

red herring

 

— n

1.

anything that diverts attention from a topic or line of inquiry

 

[WeAAsles]

Prez, phx management gets away with alot more than clt or phl. At any rate, folks i talk to in phx say you are too close with management. They would know best.

As far as the term sheet, you will be able to view it. I didnt get an update yet for this time but i hope to have the info and put it out by june 1.

"As far as the term sheet, you will be able to view it. I didnt get an update yet for this time but i hope to have the info and put it out by june 1."

To the readers. This is an example of the worm on the hook. It's a classic and easily transparent bait tactic designed to give off the impression that this is the person to gravitate to. This is the one person who has what you're looking for.

In NY we used to call this "Baiting the Suckers"

Don't be suckers people.

 

[P. REZ]

That is incorrect sir. You guys goosed a release by moving off the impasse sir. I suppose nothing can stop you from asking for a release but it would be absurd and ridiculous at this point since you guys moved off your impasse. Kindly review delaneys updates and basketts emails talking about great progress. Also it wont hurt for you to redouble your efforts and informing the membership of the single carrier.

So now you are an expert on the definition on an impasse per the NMB and more specifically, LP? Care to elaborate?
 
P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

"As far as the term sheet, you will be able to view it. I didnt get an update yet for this time but i hope to have the info and put it out by june 1."
To the readers. This is an example of the worm on the hook. It's a classic and easily transparent bait tactic designed to give off the impression that this is the person to gravitate to. This is the one person who has what you're looking for.
In NY we used to call this "Baiting the Suckers"
Don't be suckers people.

nobody is baiting anyone but as everything i put out, it stands the test of time. Folks are free to listen to me now but believe me later.
im completely fine with you or others saying it hasnt been validated because other than one first hand report, thats all it will be.

 

[Harry Callahan]

nobody is baiting anyone but as everything i put out, it stands the test of time. Folks are free to listen to me now but believe me later.
im completely fine with you or others saying it hasnt been validated because other than one first hand report, thats all it will be.

Stands the test of time roflmao. Give us a break.
Harry

 

[WeAAsles]

nobody is baiting anyone but as everything i put out, it stands the test of time. Folks are free to listen to me now but believe me later.
im completely fine with you or others saying it hasnt been validated because other than one first hand report, thats all it will be.

Tim I'm calling BS here. And the reason why is that I've only known you for less than 3 years now and you've pulled the same wool over on our FB pages as you're doing here again. You have a singular strategy that never deviates from the playbook. You don't know how to pivot and that's why smart people always see you coming.

I don't know P Rez from Adam on the other hand but because he's in those rooms and how he comments on here I believe him as credible. The way a man carries himself also speaks volumes.

I think from your history your ambitions are blind. You have no care for the ramifications of your actions and that's what concerns me about you. It's also why I ride you so hard. I will not let you place myself or my members in any jeopardy just because you're now a part of my playground.

Just always keep that in mind.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I'm calling BS here. And the reason why is that I've only known you for less than 3 years now and you've pulled the same wool over on our FB pages as you're doing here again. You have a singular strategy that never deviates from the playbook. You don't know how to pivot and that's why smart people always see you coming.

I don't know P Rez from Adam on the other hand but because he's in those rooms and how he comments on here I believe him as credible. The way a man carries himself also speaks volumes.

I think from your history your ambitions are blind. You have no care for the ramifications of your actions and that's what concerns me about you. It's also why I ride you so hard. I will not let you place myself or my members in any jeopardy just because you're now a part of my playground.

Just always keep that in mind.

You are certainly free to do so.  Like I said, I welcome the challenge as I have with other members and if I'm privileged to be elected by the members then the challenge for me will not only to do what I said I would do but also prove myself daily in that capacity.  I'm proud of my accomplishments when the members paid me before and I'm sure I'll be the same 24/7 guy this time if the opportunity comes.  I have a track record on the membership dime and it is something I am quite proud of.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So now you are an expert on the definition on an impasse per the NMB and more specifically, LP? Care to elaborate?
 
P. Rez

Prez,
An impasse either existed in the Union leadership brain ONLY, or you were all being intellectually dishonest.  The reality of the situation is that there was no impasse. PERIOD.  It is you who have misdefined it blabbing in the presse, "We are at an impasse".  You weren't!  Period!   You even begged the NMB to rule for a release but it never agreed with you that there was an impasse.  At the end of the day, the NMB was right because although you guys lied by saying to the membership you were drawing the line in the sand over 6 bare minimum items, you guys caved and moved towards Ole AH who has been whipping you guys from day one.  Sorry to say but you guys just don't have the necessary skill set or academic background to approach the situation.   I understand that you are unaware that when you showed movement on 2 items, that you clumsily tossed out any idea of an impasse, whether real or myth.
At any rate, the progress reported by Delaney, and Baskett explicitly saying 'there may be an announcement if such progress continued this week" is far far far away from impasse verbage.   Like I said, as we approach June, release talk will be goosed.  And that was the reality. 
 
Wiki is suppose to follow up with me in detail, but he did say that the reason why nobody is meeting the next two weeks is because of the FLL conference, and because of a personal vacation that one of the negotiators above District Prez wanted to go on.  Hopefully, wiki can get me the full update on this week's talks.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are certainly free to do so.  Like I said, I welcome the challenge as I have with other members and if I'm privileged to be elected by the members then the challenge for me will not only to do what I said I would do but also prove myself daily in that capacity.  I'm proud of my accomplishments when the members PAID me before and I'm sure I'll be the same 24/7 guy this time if the opportunity comes.  I have a track record on the membership dime and it is something I am quite proud of.

That speaks volumes to me Tim. Emphasize the word PAID. This is really all it is to you. You claim that you are different then those others you rally against who also in your mind were being PAID. You are not in this to better anyone other than ultimately yourself. Oh I'm sure that you would want to do at least a good enough job to continue getting PAID. But that is your true ambition. I call them the guys who want the "leather chair" personally. They don't really want to get dirty just sit back and roll up a fat one.

At one time as an organizer you were making $97,000. That ain't no chump change. And just like the lure of some exotic drug like a woman or an opiate, you continue to crave it. I really believe if you get an elected position you won't answer to the membership, you'll answer to the wallet. PAID.....

 

[pjirish317]

tim,

Here's the problem with your agenda. You are only 1 person and can't make up for the other two bums on your ticket. While artie and carl may be "good guys" and "helped" people in the past, they have ZERO experience in writing grievances or conducting a hearing at setp 3 or above. What, are you going to handle their case load for them? And all your posts are singularly focused on yourself and what you claim you will be able to supposedly accomplish. Which when you do not, it certailny will not be your fault, oh no, not the almighty tim nelson, he who knows all and can do no wrong. No, it will be somebody's else'e fault that you ultimately can't deliver what you promise. Nothing about your team assisting you. Just a bunch of I's, and me's in your posts. No we's, or us, nothing. And that is supposed to make us feel all warm and gushy about you, artie and carl? I'd rather have my 9 year old represent me if you three happen to get in office. She could probably write a better grievance than either artie or carl ever could.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That speaks volumes to me Tim. Emphasize the word PAID. This is really all it is to you. You claim that you are different then those others you rally against who also in your mind were being PAID. You are not in this to better anyone other than ultimately yourself. Oh I'm sure that you would want to do at least a good enough job to continue getting PAID. But that is your true ambition. I call them the guys who want the "leather chair" personally. They don't really want to get dirty just sit back and roll up a fat one.

At one time as an organizer you were making $97,000. That ain't no chump change. And just like the lure of some exotic drug like a woman or an opiate, you continue to crave it. I really believe if you get an elected position you won't answer to the membership, you'll answer to the wallet. PAID.....

Well, your whole post is silly, actually.  I stated a historical account to counter your silliness, and yes, the membership did pay me to do a job prior and I think it is quite reasonable, actually, to consider past history of those who have been in a union office before with a tremendous responsibility.  I mean, I suppose anyone can say that they would be the best AGC ever, but imo, what is more important is to consider whatever history exist with a particular candidate if he/she had any previous experience in a position with the membership compensating. 
 
And President Delaney was quite thankful of me in that position as he published the following: 
 
District 141 thanks all of the AirTran volunteers and organizers for their hard work on behalf of their fellow employees. As District Lodge 141 Director of Organizing, Tim Nelson, said, “They all believed in one thing – each other”.
We thank Tim and his Organizing Team – Rick Russo, Gene Beatty, Bill Kline, Joe Stassi, and Fran Paci – for their dedication to the idea that working together can overcome all obstacles. Through the many ups and downs of this campaign they all remained committed and confident that our AirTran brothers and sisters not only needed a union but wanted the IAM. The grassroots campaign they developed was based on personal contact and involvement and the success of the election shows that people talking with each other can fight back against anti-union professionals.
We especially thank General Vice President Robert Roach for his support and belief in our Team. He listened to us and always looked out for the best interests of the AirTran employees.
Congratulations to our newest members and Welcome Home!
Rich Delaney

 

[pjirish317]

tim,

being an organizer is miles away from being an agc, paid or not. Just because you could do one job, doesn't translate that you would be able to do the other.