2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

Tim,
 
Not that a degree is needed to do this job but I have stated before that I have a degree from Arizona State University. Regarding the possibility of a release, kindly look at 700's post a couple of pages ago and look at the chart. The next step is a proffer of arbitration, PERIOD. If we can't get a contract that is the next step, LP does not hand the duties to anybody else. There is no other step if she can't get us to a cba.
 
I will not vote to bring a cba to this membership if I don't think that it would be ratified by 90% plus of the membership. I will not spin or lie, nor have I ever spinned or lied, to get that 90% plus ratification vote either. I am a straight forward guy who always has the membership in mind when I do anything in my leadership capacity. Take that to the bank. 
 
I have said before that I am not perfect and have made mistakes in the past and will probably make them in the future too. I am a fighter and love having the ability to make a positive difference for my co-workers and believe that I have had numerous achievements that have made a difference over the years.
 
P. Rez   

 
Pat--
 
What is (or are) some absolute deal breakers for you?
 
Are you willing to be the "lone holdout" w/r/t endorsing a T/A should it come to that?
 
Not trying to bust balls, just curious on where you're at.

 

[T5towbar]

I hear ya. Interestingly (or not), a lot of people on our side of the house were concerned that they were too busy at CO to focus on our election. Go figure.

An easy win for us could or would have helped changed some minds, seeing that a large non-union ramp could go union to the IAM. If used properly, it could have been a better springboard for you guys, and maybe even to victory. But the IAM (the International and DL 141) is not known for "out of the box" thinking. I hope that they will do better with this "Association" with the TWU. New strategies and techniques are needed along with tried and true methods.

We may see that during the US/AA talks. I'm hope I'm right on this one.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You got owned by them and ran away with your tail between your legs!

Josh

I think an honest question may not be how 700 or Delaney, or Canale didn't get AH to cower down to them, but how AH got signatures from each of them on anti union contracts.  I mean, nothing forced Delaney and his eboard to sell out our craft at United and only protect 7 stations.  If they ever organize Delta, what are they going to tell Delta, that you have to contract out 40 stations just so you can get a first contract and pay dues?  Doesn't make sense, considering.
 
Well, I know why 700 hates AH, because AH stole 700's socks off of him without taking his shoes off of him.  Ole AH owns those guys and it isn't even a fair game of chess.  All these guys do is complain about AH, but who ends up agreeing with AH?  Yep, you guess it, 700, Delaney, etc.   Then they wash their hands of their evil deeds and blame the membership.  No wonder why Unions are dying.  Warning Will Robinson!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
 
I am what I am and I invite you to any or all meetings with any management person and you will see fight not a closeness to management. The offer is anytime. What do you say? You can talk all you want but the truth is there, come on down. 
 
P. Rez   

Prez, I actually never had a problem with you as a person so I almost don't wanna get into some of these things with you, but I think you are closer to management than you think.  I may be wrong and I hope I am, but PHX ramp operates a lot different than PHL and CLT, and I been told that a lot of that reason is because of you. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

tim,

So now we are to support your ticket from a campaign letter written by somebody at UA? Have someone from US write a letter on how artie or carl wrote a winning grievance for them, then maybe I'll listen. All the more reason the two airline's votes should be seperated. But then you couldn't ride UA's coat tails to get elected.

I put US AIRWAYS letters up as well.  I'm not elected yet PJ so there is hope for your vote against me.  I would hope that you do consider other candidates on the ticket I'm on though.  I don't see any reason why any US AIRWAYS members should vote for any United candidate on the 141rising slate who couldn't even get endorsed by those who knew him best.  14 out of 15 United candidates on 141 rising ticket couldn't get their home endorsement.  So considering other United candidates is very reasonable for someone who is favoring 141 rising US Candidates.

 

[Harry Callahan]

PJ & others:
Tim's biggest problem is the me me me & I I I . There is no we meaning team. Tim is all about Tim & imo the more he keeps posting the more votes he will loose.
 
Harry

 

[pjirish317]

tim,

Why would I consider anybody from your slate? They did a bang up job picking bums to represent US. Who's to say they didn't do the same at UA?

PS-If your ticket isnt even willing to make sure US has 5 spots, I will not even consider looking at the candidates. And I'm sure there are a few good apples among the bunch, unfortunately, the bad ones make them invisable to the rest.

 

[737823]

Roa is it fair to put the TWU members in IAMNPF?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Roa is it fair to put the TWU members in IAMNPF?
Josh

Is it fair to put hand puppets in wood chippers?

Bzzzzzzzz

 

[pjirish317]

josh,

It depends on what you call fair? Maybe the TWU folks are happy with just a 401k match, maybe their not. It will all depend on what will be negotiated in JCBA talks. But to say "fair", that is a relative term, maybe some here at US want to keep the pension, maybe some want both a pension and a 401k match, maybe some just want the 401k match. Its a toss up as to what is fair for each individual.

 

[Tim Nelson]

tim,Why would I consider anybody from your slate? They did a bang up job picking bums to represent US. Who's to say they didn't do the same at UA?PS-If your ticket isnt even willing to make sure US has 5 spots, I will not even consider looking at the candidates. And I'm sure there are a few good apples among the bunch, unfortunately, the bad ones make them invisable to the rest.

Why?
Because everyone on the 141rising slate is very very strong management.

Sorry to hear PJ but dont blame the membership and AH when your boys kick you in the ass again with a lousy contract. Unfortunately it may be too late for me to jump into the present negotiations and clean it up for us since its likely they will sign it in july.

 

[Tim Nelson]

josh,It depends on what you call fair? Maybe the TWU folks are happy with just a 401k match, maybe their not. It will all depend on what will be negotiated in JCBA talks. But to say "fair", that is a relative term, maybe some here at US want to keep the pension, maybe some want both a pension and a 401k match, maybe some just want the 401k match. Its a toss up as to what is fair for each individual.

the cost to the company isnt a toss up. The twu 401 cost the company more per capita for the full 5.5% match than the iampf.

 

[pjirish317]

tim,

Please stop making it seem as though you could do anything different but be the lone dissent on the NC. You have ZERO juice with the company, period. You have no better chance of "cleaning up this mess", as you like to make us believe, than anybody else running on your ticket. Especially artie or carl. And give me one good reason to even consider UA people on your slate. They do not represent me, and they are taking 2 spots on the eboard away from US, with that ticket. You, sir, are not the savior for US.

 

[mike33]

Prez, phx management gets away with alot more than clt or phl. At any rate, folks i talk to in phx say you are too close with management. They would know best.

As far as the term sheet, you will be able to view it. I didnt get an update yet for this time but i hope to have the info and put it out by june 1.

June 1?....Just put out what you have?...why wait for the update.???????  I can decipher the difference between Term 1 and Term 2 when it arrives.  
 
  Lets see it !!!!  All for Term Sheet ! without the update say ,............  Aye !!!

 

[737823]

josh,It depends on what you call fair? Maybe the TWU folks are happy with just a 401k match, maybe their not. It will all depend on what will be negotiated in JCBA talks. But to say "fair", that is a relative term, maybe some here at US want to keep the pension, maybe some want both a pension and a 401k match, maybe some just want the 401k match. Its a toss up as to what is fair for each individual.

Everyone has ther own point of view but IAMNPF has cut benefits before and 401K places the member in control of their money.

Josh