2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[P. REZ]

Josh,

I was President of Local 580 for TWU when the merger with US occurred. Because of voting rules then plus being dominated by US in numbers, the TWU backed off for fear that everyone could have lost Union representation.

P. Rez

 

[737823]

P. Rez, too bad the TWU didn't stay around, things would be much better compared to the IAM.  Didn't mean to come across as an attack, but 700 keeps attacking Tim.
 
Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Then I do not understand why you didn't include Steward in your bio? Being a Steward to me is the most honorable calling one can have in a Union. It's a thankless foot soldier position but one that should be held in very high esteem. Why did you leave this out? Are you ashamed of that position?
As for the LMRDA case. That is a good one. BUT. The fact of that matter is that it was a miserable failure as the incumbents were voted back in overwhelmingly. That would have to leave people to wonder if you just do not have the pulse of the memberships wants and needs? Having the pulse of the membership in it's entirety is something only a really good leader can possess. Do you agree?
The rest of your comments I deleted because they were just a bunch of fluff.

i think you are being short sighted or you dont have the scope of understanding of civil rights.
Fighting for and securing the lmrda rights brought our first election in 100 years. It brought out more participation and put candidates on notice. Although i would have preferred reform, having a democratic election was great for our union.

Hopefully our intl officers realize and lear from it and realize diverse opinion is good and they hopefully will be more inclusive.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
You are FSC, the AA AMTs overwhelmingly support AMFA.  If given the choice IAM, TWU, or Association, TWU would be the way to go.  The IAM has destroyed your craft at Hawaiian and United, tons of outsourcing loop holes in the current US CBA.  I mean TWU protected 17 stations in bankruptcy, IAM could only protect seven stations outside of bankruptcy when they had leverage in joint negotiations. Pathetic, anyway you look at it.
 
Josh

I certainly wouldn't say overwhelmingly from the posts of a few loudmouths on this forum. But thankfully I think our TWU International is finally doing what I've suggested for a long time now, ignoring them. All they have been for a very long time is a distraction. Nothing more. And we have far more important things to be concerned with out in the world than them. You're right I am a FSC but besides that I'm also kind of sick of the AMFA debate anyway. If any mechanics actually leave and join them in the future I wish them luck. I think they'll probably need it?

Otherwise, Pfft.

 

[mike33]

This will be an exciting weekend for us at USairways Fleet Service. We will finally get to see the TN Term sheet update....somewhere around June 1st.

 

[WeAAsles]

i think you are being short sighted or you dont have the scope of understanding of civil rights.
Fighting for and securing the lmrda rights brought our first election in 100 years. It brought out more participation and put candidates on notice. Although i would have preferred reform, having a democratic election was great for our union.

Hopefully our intl officers realize and lear from it and realize diverse opinion is good and they hopefully will be more inclusive.

Too much distraction. Too much time wasted. <_<

 

[WeAAsles]

This will be an exciting weekend for us at USairways Fleet Service. We will finally get to see the TN Term sheet....somewhere around June 1st.

He did say June 1. So we should all be getting a good read on Sunday then I suspect?

 

[cltrat]

Possibly? Who stands to benefit the most by having a long (and expensive) representational drive for those who already are unionized? Not to mention that it could easily turn off people and turn them on to that "No Union" option.

Probably the smartest choice to make at the time it was made?    

that was back in the US/AW merger
then I have been told now the IAM is loaded with money and the TWU is just the opposite. Maybe you have some insight?

 

[WeAAsles]

that was back in the US/AW merger
then I have been told now the IAM is loaded with money and the TWU is just the opposite. Maybe you have some insight?

I'm going to have to take the 5th on that one but that information is searchable on the net. Personally money doesn't buy me though.

 

[737823]

I'm going to have to take the 5th on that one but that information is searchable on the net. Personally money doesn't buy me though.

 
TWU is far from perfect but the IAM structure to me is very suspect when you have many high paying officials who are family members of current IP and GVPs (to say nothing of other positions in the GL or DLs for that matter) who have never worked a day in an IAM shop.  I mean why does Andy Buffenbarger have to stay around slurping $200k+ with a position created by his Daddy?  What does he contribute?  From what I have seen and read elsewhere it seems all he does is party.  The IAM leaders like to be pampered, have all the latest gadgets, indulge themselves at luxury hotels and expensive dinner, too cool to fly commercial.  Of course most here turn a blind eye to it, if I were paying $700+/year for their "representation" I'd be upset.  They aren't getting money for their dollar. The IAM is a considerably weaker position today than they were 5 or 10 years ago, they have fewer members, less cash on hand and overall are in a weaker position, as is much of organized labor today. 
 
Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

 
 as is much of organized labor today. 
 
Josh

Yes. But I have been seeing some movement on that front lately. And it's very encouraging.

 

[WeAAsles]

Josh,

I was President of Local 580 for TWU when the merger with US occurred. Because of voting rules then plus being dominated by US in numbers, the TWU backed off for fear that everyone could have lost Union representation.

P. Rez

This is exactly what I have heard from multiple people including one's that I trust who are very credible to me personally.

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim would you please clarify this part for me.

"Then I do not understand why you didn't include Steward in your bio? Being a Steward to me is the most honorable calling one can have in a Union. It's a thankless foot soldier position but one that should be held in very high esteem. Why did you leave this out? Are you ashamed of that position?"

 

[Harry Callahan]

NIELSON HAZ MOR
SKREEN NAMZ THN
TH AMNT OF CARDZ
HE FILED SHRT ON!

 
ROFLMAO
Harry

 

[737823]

 
ROFLMAO
Harry

 
U SEEM 2 RLLY LIK
WHUT BLUTO POSTS
 
Josh