2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

Yet you post no facts to back anything up, tim and his bromance partner joshie.

 

[737823]

Indicate what I posted above that is not factual.
 
Josh

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Wiki Laughs get grabbed up by the NSA?

Reverend Quixote tilting at windmills...

 

[mike33]

Sito wouldn't lift a finger for the membership.  He endorsed the UA agreement calling it "monumental" and how he was extremely proud of DL 141's work.  Get real.
 
Josh

" Flushes the Toilet".....oh sssooooooryyyyy ! bye

 

[mike33]

Again, you are incorrect, sir.

Be specific tim ...dont generalize ... what part is he incorrect on !?????
What did AH tell you happened?

 

[mike33]

Still Waiting for the Sheet Tim......  or are you waiting for the TA..?

 

[robbedagain]

you get real    700 youre correct and the way we all were told is that if the company dicks around with a concessionary contract  she would release both IAM groups  and both groups have each others' backs   thats what i would call great solidarity   regardless of what josh says   given he is not an employee of an airline and his absolute hatred of the iam and US.    Sito went balastic in that last round we were told and it took a day and half to calm everything down   

 

[robbedagain]

Again, you are incorrect, sir.

how am I incorrect here?  this is what was told  to all of us yesterday and today.  Although our local shop steward believes AA metal count is already added in with US metal count to keep cities at least in the short term    AA has 17 mainline ramp cities w 600 planes  and US has 300 planes with 36 or 37 cities with mainline ramp   now take for example BWI we have 13 M/L jets (based on a monday schd) sometimes 14 or 15 depending on the day of the week,  per week we have over 56 flts  take that and add in AA metal (presuming the agreement is either in place or will be part of TA) which is roughly 10 or so give or take and it adds up quickly    

 

[rockit2]

Not correct about having a ta, if we did it would be out because it would get votes from US cities.  

If you brought it back and was a POS, I don't think you would get many votes.

 

[737823]

you get real    700 youre correct and the way we all were told is that if the company dicks around with a concessionary contract  she would release both IAM groups  and both groups have each others' backs   thats what i would call great solidarity   regardless of what josh says   given he is not an employee of an airline and his absolute hatred of the iam and US.    Sito went balastic in that last round we were told and it took a day and half to calm everything down

Just shows how ineffective of a negotiator he is if he "went ballistic and it took a day and half to calm everything down". You guys are up against highly educated, smart and focused negotiators and to have people like Sito go in and "represent" you that way is beyond pathetic. It is no wonder you still don't have an agreement after nearly three years of negotiations.

Josh

 

[700UW]

And you show how clueless and ignorant you truly are, have you been in negotiations between labor and management in the airline industry?
 
I have seen Al Hemenway lose his temper many times, and Doug McKeen, you have no idea what takes place in negotiations.
 
The IAM and US have been in mediation for two years, neither party controls the talks, and it takes two parties to reach an agreement, I guess this is beyond your brain power to comprehend.
 
The TWU negotiated for over four or five years and never reached an agreement, the average time under the RLA to get a new CBA is four years.
 
Keep up the lies, fraud and misinformation, did you miss tim since he was traveling all over the US system to get votes and watch the election process?

 

[mike33]

If you brought it back and was a POS, I don't think you would get many votes.

If and but were candies and nuts... one can't bring out what isn't finished yet. Thats why the NMB called another meeting. 

 

[rockit2]

 
Mark actually outright lied on many fronts. He has been getting more than $75 that he lies to his members about.  He also lied to them about Unified for change somehow wanting to get rid of 4 negotiators. As most who are educated about the matter knows, all negotiators are strictly appointed by Delaney.  Not sure what he means about "Middle of negotiations"? I though negotiations were ready to conclude?  Whatever the case, it has nothing to do with who gets in, and I'm not even promised to be on negotiations as an AGC if that happens.   Then, he complains about losing US AIRWAYS spots but he doesn't tell his members that the two year AGC we have are all US AIRWAYS members and running straight up against his United candidates, but he is pushing against them???  Doesn't make sense.  Then, I'll stay out of all the Rick Russo personal attacks he does but as someone who used to work in Charlotte, I can tell you that Mr Baskett sat on his ass and didn't claim to need a union when we were non-union, while Rick put his balls on the line and tried countless times to get a union.  And Rick has been involved for 30 years and never made a dime other than when myself and others took him out to organize.  Baskett couldn't carry Russo's jockstrap and he had no business to dog him, and especially use the grievance committee email address in doing so.  Selling religion or politics using the union's normal outlet is just terrible. Poor taste indeed.
 
Below is his email
 
From: Grievance Committee <cltgrievancecmtte@gmail.com>
Date: June 2, 2014 at 10:44:24 PM EDT
To: baskett62@hotmail.com
Subject: DISTRICT ELECTIONS
 


       6-2-14
 
                                                                                                                         DISTRICT ELECTIONS
 
I want to take a few minutes to explain to everyone personally what we are facing. We are about to face the most important election at US Airways since I have been in the union. There are two different teams running for positions at the district level. I have always promised I would do whats best for this membership. I have even turned down the opportunity in the past to run for a much larger district position with much better pay. So I ask all of you to believe that I am here for all of our best interest. I am the current grievance chair here in clt and also the VP at large for the district. The district job is a Pt job that makes 75.00 a month. So its not for the money that I do this job. Clt,s day to vote is set for Thursday June 12th. And since I wont be here due to being in negotiations there are some things that everyone needs to know about this election.
         FIRST: We are outnumbered already at the district level by United Airlines. They have 30,000 plus members to our 6,000 members. Due to their larger size they get 34 positions on the district board to our 8. However the Unified for change team that is running against us, thinks that those numbers should be 36 to 6. Yes they are supporting taking two board positions from the US side and giving it to the UA side. Due to UA being so much larger than US. These are two positions if they are successful that we will never get back on the board.
        SECOND: There are currently 4 members on our negotiating team that could be voted out of their positions. The unified for change team is trying to replace these people with agents that have very little experience. Some of them have not even been shop steward before. But yet they want to replace the AGC,s and VP and Trustee positions, all of which are on the current negotiating team. Everyone that is currently on the negotiations team, was placed there by Delaney because we have the support of our membership in our respective cities. This sends the company a very strong message. If we now show them at this late stage in negotiations that we don't have the support of the membership, then that would kill us in negotiations. So Delaney would probably have no choice but to replace us. Which by the way, would mean that we would have nobody representing clt our largest hub left on the team. We are right at the end of our section 6 talks, and will very soon be going into talks for the joint agreement for a leading industry contract. Even if you put the lack of experience from the other team aside, there couldn't be a worse time to want to change 4 members out of the negotiating team. Bringing in new people at this point could very well put us back to square one in negotiations. Of course the other team will tell you this wont or cant happen. Simply Not True..
         THIRD: This is the most important election for US airways, because as you can see from the numbers above we are vastly outnumbered by united. However, its US airways that is right in the middle of negotiations, not united. I hope all of you can see by the numbers how important it is for the US employees to show up and vote. We MUST turn out a high percentage to protect what is best for us. You need to come out on the 12th and vote. Not only you, but tell your buddy next to you to get up and come and vote. All of us need to care enough, or we will be regretting this for a long time to come.
         FOURTH: It is very disappointing to me to see some US people that are supporting the unified for change team when by doing so, will be so detrimental to us fleet service. We will be setting ourselves back for no reason, other than just wanting change. I hope those few people after reading this will reconsider supporting a team that is not in it for the best interest of us fleet.
         FIFTH: It is not only disappointing to me, but actually unbelievable that one of our own grievance committee guys here in clt is supporting the unified for change team. Tracy Russo is running for AGC on the unified for change team. I understand Rick wanting to support his wife, but I cant understand Rick wanting to support the whole team, when the unified for change team is only going to screw the Us members if they get in. When I mentioned the things above to him, and how detrimental they were to our membership here at US airways fleet, his only response was " well they don't know that " . I can only guess its because of the money his wife has a chance to make if she gets elected, for his reason to not tell you this. Yes Rick and I have been friends for a long time, This is nothing personal against him, but he is the one that chose to support their whole team. I am the one that decided to tell you the whole truth, including even the part that you didn't know.  I have a lot of other good friends out there that I represent, and you need to know whats going on. Because I know for certain, he or his wife is not telling you these things. Everyone should ask him about the above issues in my opinion when he ask for you to vote for the unified for change team. Or for anybody that supports that team. They should tell you why they support doing whats mentioned above. If they tell you it cant happen, they simply aren't being honest with you.   
In the end, you will have to decide who is really here for the membership. Someone that is telling you the whole story? Or someone that is only telling you the parts they want you to here. You will be getting two different stories. You will be the one that has to determine who is telling you the truth. I needed to let everyone know the severity of next weeks vote on the 12th since I wont be here, and you probably will only be hearing one side of the story. Please think hard and serious about this election. Think about what is best for you and your family and our contract. 
I think if you give it some consideration, you will know this is not the time to change things now. I don't think there could be a worse time. I ask all of you to vote for the 141 Rising slate. It is this slate that will keep everything intact, and will keep us moving forward and not backwards. YOU MUST DECIDE AND VOTE. WE HAVE TO GET THE NUMBERS OUT. VOTE 141 RISING
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Mark Baskett                 

 


Mark , you are a BUFFOON

 

[737823]

And you show how clueless and ignorant you truly are, have you been in negotiations between labor and management in the airline industry?
 
I have seen Al Hemenway lose his temper many times, and Doug McKeen, you have no idea what takes place in negotiations.
 
The IAM and US have been in mediation for two years, neither party controls the talks, and it takes two parties to reach an agreement, I guess this is beyond your brain power to comprehend.
 
The TWU negotiated for over four or five years and never reached an agreement, the average time under the RLA to get a new CBA is four years.
 
Keep up the lies, fraud and misinformation, did you miss tim since he was traveling all over the US system to get votes and watch the election process?

Notice I said nearly three years.

No I didn't miss Tim what makes you say that?

Temper or not AH squeezed unprecedented concessions out of you and your team and you are bitter. You ran away with your tail between your legs and got owned by the company yet you come on here boasting about it.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

how am I incorrect here?  this is what was told  to all of us yesterday and today.  Although our local shop steward believes AA metal count is already added in with US metal count to keep cities at least in the short term    AA has 17 mainline ramp cities w 600 planes  and US has 300 planes with 36 or 37 cities with mainline ramp   now take for example BWI we have 13 M/L jets (based on a monday schd) sometimes 14 or 15 depending on the day of the week,  per week we have over 56 flts  take that and add in AA metal (presuming the agreement is either in place or will be part of TA) which is roughly 10 or so give or take and it adds up quickly    

First off, if AA metal is included, then that means a 'helping hand" or a 'fence agreement' language was handed to Ole AH and that our NC agreed to it even though they said they wouldn't.  The flight activity bar did go up, and a no furlough was added so that anyone contracted out will be able to move [you already have this anyways, it's called reduction in force]. 
 
I hadn't had it confirmed that they decided to agree with Ole AH about fudging on AA metal/Work issues in an effort to bring back AA workers and helping hands.  But Wiki reported that this is exactly what they were cleaning up and that all other items were TA'd.    Prior to the helping hand dabbling/AA metal, the flight activity was going up in return for the wage installments.  Maybe the helping hand sped up the wage installments but the cost will certainly be a loss of leverage in joint talks if true.