2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

 

[WeAAsles]

Just for clarity. The chart shows 3% on date of signing. That would be for all steps up to the top out rate. The top out rate will be a 9.53% increase as stated in the update on the IAM webpage.

 

[700UW]

If you do the math, that 9.53% is reflecting in DOS, do the math from the 2012 rate to the DOS rate, you get a $1.96 then the 3% is done off of that.

 

[WeAAsles]

If you do the math, that 9.53% is reflecting in DOS, do the math from the 2012 rate to the DOS rate, you get a $1.96 then the 3% is done off of that.

Huh?

 

[700UW]

Look at the rate for 12 years it is $20.57 then at DOS it is $22.53.
 
20.57X3%=.61, 20.57+.61=$21.18 but the rate in the scale is $22.53.
 
20.57x9.53%=1.96, 1.96+20.57=22.53

 

[WeAAsles]

Look at the rate for 12 years it is $20.57 then at DOS it is $22.53.
 
20.57X3%=.61, 20.57+.61=$21.18 but the rate in the scale is $22.53.
 
20.57x9.53%=1.96, 1.96+20.57=22.53

That's what I originally said. Or at least said or meant. MATH, Pfft.

I'll take Military History for 1000 Alex.

 

[Kev3188]

Sidebar: 102 degrees?! Must be a PHX phone? Lol...

 

[700UW]

Actually Kev, it hit the high 90s in CLT yesterday and the feel like temp was 102.
 
But it did come off the PHX IAM FB Page.

 

[P. REZ]

Let's wait and see exactly what is in this.  A lot of rumors out there how we gave up part time rules and the scope got a drop dead date prior to the ammendability.  The highlight said scope for the entire duration but others have said that is inaccurate. The negotiators refuse to talk about health care as well, and that this deal does nothing for part timers. Whatever the case, I'm beginning to wonder if this is maybe a cost negative deal and not even cost neutral. They refuse to bring it out due to political elections. Hopefully, they will have the deal online after the officer elections next week.  Until then, who knows but it doesn't look good if the negotiators intentionally only put out a wage scale. Why put out a wage scale and bias everything, it should have all been put out together if anything was going to come out.  Something is wrong.

Tim,

If you remember the issues from the roll out of the 2008 agreement, that is why there is a slight delay in getting this out. The attempt is to get the verbiage correct to eliminate confusion later. There is nothing to hide, no Cinderella dates, etc. This is a solid agreement. I know that there is an election going on but this really has nothing to do with that. I do hope the whole contract is out soon for all to see. The highlight sheet will be proven.

P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

If you remember the issues from the roll out of the 2008 agreement, that is why there is a slight delay in getting this out. The attempt is to get the verbiage correct to eliminate confusion later. There is nothing to hide, no Cinderella dates, etc. This is a solid agreement. I know that there is an election going on but this really has nothing to do with that. I do hope the whole contract is out soon for all to see. The highlight sheet will be proven.

P. Rez

Election is pretty much over.  My comments were not political.  Good to hear no Cindy dates.  What about part time % and health care?

 

[P. REZ]

Election is pretty much over.  My comments were not political.  Good to hear no Cindy dates.  What about part time % and health care?

Tim,

Nothing given up. I know from past experiences some are pessimistic, but everyone will IMO, be happy with the end result.

P. Rez

 

[PHXConx]

Tim,

Nothing given up. I know from past experiences some are pessimistic, but everyone will IMO, be happy with the end result.

P. Rez

 
No pat pessimistic isnt the word... we are impatient.. we havent read enough to be pessimistic yet

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
Nothing given up. I know from past experiences some are pessimistic, but everyone will IMO, be happy with the end result.
P. Rez

sounds really good. So ole AH finally discovered fairness?
it is hard to trust management until we read what they agreed to. Hopefully no cross utilization where twu can do our work either.

 

[roabilly]

Election is pretty much over.  My comments were not political.  Good to hear no Cindy dates.  What about part time % and health care?

Tim, are you conceding that your team has pretty much LOST this election? what happened to the "Great Pain" 141R was supposed to experience?

 

[cltrat]

Tim, are you conceding that your team has pretty much LOST this election? what happened to the "Great Pain" 141R was supposed to experience?

idk, from what I heard it was pretty close, esp considering one side flying  around the country on their own dime and the other had positive space. Hopefully the winning side will view this as a wake up call and react accordingly.