2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

I see someone is making accusations again since they are losing.

Do you support labor law violations, 700? Yes or No?

 

[PHXConx]

The negotiation committee isn't involved in this from what I understand. They may be called on by the legal folks but I think the point man is FO for clarifications. I don't believe the TA will be ready to be shown to the members until either late next week or early the following week, and a ratification vote scheduled in mid to late July.  Prez may be right, in that a 90% ratification could happen.  The scope is suppose to be locked down [which is my #1] and I think that most consider the money to be fair. Toss in the fact that Prez said nothing else was compromised and the health care is exactly what it is now.
 
I'll believe it when I read it. Not busting the N/C but most of us have learned to distrust management.  Remember, AH and JG negotiated this as well,  so if it's fair, then that sorta takes the horns off of them as well, yes?  Nah, let's leave the horns on them, why not? lol

im going by what the district put on their website 
 
As stated in yesterday's announcement that a tentative agreement has been reached between US Airways and IAM-represented fleet service workers, your negotiating committee is working diligently to compile a complete list of every change to the current collective bargaining agreement for membership review. The following are the exact percentage base wage increases and when they will be received:
 
http://iam141.org/index.html
 
personally i dont care who is doing it i want them working on it every day just like the membership is working every day we as a whole do not get weekends off this is a 24/7/365  operation and those negotiating/working for us should do the same.  
 
Hell how do they negotiate for three years if they didnt have in front of them the differences? maybe thats why it took 3 years both sides kept having to have some legal monkeys rewriting everything every day no wonder it took so long.  

 

[PHXConx]

Do you support labor law violations, 700? Yes or No?

classic strawman it doesnt matter whether he supports labor law violations, the argument is you are making baseless accusations... 
 
so are you making baseless accusations yes or no?

 

[T5towbar]

Tim I would like to see the whole voting procedure changed. In this day and age there is no reason computers should not be able to be used to vote.It would almost certainly increase participation which to me is a win for everyone.

It would increase participation to a certain degree. But most people are either working where they can't take the time out to go somewhere and vote. Some people don't care; but some who do care, circumstances may prevent them take the time and effort. In my case and my hub, even though we had vans that took us to an offsite hotel, it would have been easier to have the election at a closer hotel which is on property and walking distance for everybody. And to make matters worse, one of the transportation options is presently under construction making it difficult. And with a draconian attendance policy in place, makes it even tough.

In this day in age, there has to be a more modern way to vote. I know that in-person voting is in the IAM Constitution, but this is the 21st Century and the times change. Mail-in or online; there has to be by now a safer way to vote.

Just my two cents........

 

[Tim Nelson]

classic strawman it doesnt matter whether he supports labor law violations, the argument is you are making baseless accusations... 
 
so are you making baseless accusations yes or no?

No. There will definitely be a new election if needed. The violations were against the U4C team. IMO, the violations are so blatant that the INTL will not allow it to go to the DOL, and instead order a new expedited election that all parties could agree to. My hope is that the INTL continues to work with the membership and has learned from the error of its previous ways that led to the first INTL election.  We've had 2 DOL rerun elections, we shouldn't need a third if the INTL would just step in as needed and make the proper ruling.  They ordered a new election for PHL 1776 and I feel almost certain they will rule for a new one with IAM 141 should it come to that. Unless they want to punt to the DOL.
 
I'll post the entire legal brief, if U4C loses. Im not joking, at this point it is 100 pages long including docs, videos, attachments, etc.  I will submit it, if needed, to the INTL and make it public here.

 

[cltrat]

It would increase participation to a certain degree. But most people are either working where they can't take the time out to go somewhere and vote. Some people don't care; but some who do care, circumstances may prevent them take the time and effort. In my case and my hub, even though we had vans that took us to an offsite hotel, it would have been easier to have the election at a closer hotel which is on property and walking distance for everybody. And to make matters worse, one of the transportation options is presently under construction making it difficult. And with a draconian attendance policy in place, makes it even tough.

In this day in age, there has to be a more modern way to vote. I know that in-person voting is in the IAM Constitution, but this is the 21st Century and the times change. Mail-in or online; there has to be by now a safer way to vote.

Just my two cents........

T5 that's pretty much what I'm saying voting could and should be able to be done online, I don't give a damn about no vote in person rule.When a hub the size of mine runs out of ballots its just simply not good.Weather anything bad or illegal happen I don't pretend to be qualified to say but it just looks for lack of a better term shady.

 

[PHXConx]

No. There will definitely be a new election if needed. The violations were against the U4C team. IMO, the violations are so blatant that the INTL will not allow it to go to the DOL, and instead order a new expedited election that all parties could agree to. My hope is that the INTL continues to work with the membership and has learned from the error of its previous ways that led to the first INTL election.  We've had 2 DOL rerun elections, we shouldn't need a third if the INTL would just step in as needed and make the proper ruling.  They ordered a new election for PHL 1776 and I feel almost certain they will rule for a new one with IAM 141 should it come to that. Unless they want to punt to the DOL.
 
see wasnt that alot easier than asking 700 if he was against labor laws violations even though you know already he most likely is... instead of explaining your position?
 
 
I'll post the entire legal brief, if U4C loses. Im not joking, at this point it is 100 pages long including docs, videos, attachments, etc.  I will submit it, if needed, to the INTL and make it public here.

 
Im sure you're not joking,, though im not holding my breath, we are still waiting on vote counts you promised... 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Im sure you're not joking,, though im not holding my breath, we are still waiting on vote counts you promised... 

He has documents, video's, attachments and a little monkey with a hat making popcorn.

 

[robbedagain]

tim what is the count   all we know is after that first week when the elections began you had 750  mostly from UA  but we would like to see actual nbrs  if its possible

 

[WeAAsles]

tim what is the count   all we know is after that first week when the elections began you had 750  mostly from UA  but we would like to see actual nbrs  if its possible

Tim loves those UAL peeps. I thought he worked for USAIRWAYS though?

 

[PHXConx]

tim what is the count   all we know is after that first week when the elections began you had 750  mostly from UA  but we would like to see actual nbrs  if its possible

and if its not possible please tell us why... instead of just ignoring the question, you want us to believe you will do so much for the membership but when you refuse to post the vote counts like you promised, it becomes a question of why... i mean if you are losing and its close like you say.. wouldnt you want to rally your support?
 
or was your support so low that you just dont want to admit you are getting spanked?

 

[ograc]

tim what is the count   all we know is after that first week when the elections began you had 750  mostly from UA  but we would like to see actual nbrs  if its possible

Robbed,
Niether side seems to know the exact amount. Tim proclaims U4C is still ahead after three weeks of voting. Rising proclaims the same. Tim, at this point, seems to be focusing on an election result protest and a filing for a new election. That should tell you something. U4C has every right to submit a protest of the election results. If the protests have enough merit, to order another election, remains to be seen. IMO... when the margin of victory in an election is narrow; protested issues have more merit and gravity. Even though Bingo will be eventually declared; Everyone needs to "Hold your cards!" This election may not be over at the end of June the way I see it.    

 

[PHXConx]

Robbed,
Niether side seems to know the exact amount. Tim proclaims U4C is still ahead after three weeks of voting. Rising proclaims the same. Tim, at this point, seems to be focusing on an election result protest and a filing for a new election. That should tell you something. U4C has every right to submit a protest of the election results. If the protests have enough merit, to order another election, remains to be seen. IMO... when the margin of victory in an election is narrow; protested issues have more merit and gravity. Even though Bingo will be eventually declared; Everyone needs to "Hold your cards!" This election may not be over at the end of June the way I see it.    

 
 
i can live with that if tim made a promise he couldnt keep he should step up and say "at this moment we dont know"...
 
dont you think thats the least that could be done  at this point?  
 
we arent asking for any more than what tim promised..

 

[mike33]

 
Im sure you're not joking,, though im not holding my breath, we are still waiting on vote counts you promised... 

It he can't hold his promise on vote counts and term sheets then how can he promise anything going fwd???

 

[ograc]

 
 
i can live with that if tim made a promise he couldnt keep he should step up and say "at this moment we dont know"...
 
dont you think thats the least that could be done  at this point?  
 
we arent asking for any more than what tim promised..

Tim and the U4C team will not conceed anything at this point. Even if the team loses the election; it's pretty obvious Tim will protest the results. He will never say "I Don't know". The U4C slate did not win a single US hub. They lost PHX by a narrow margin, They lost PHL by a two to one margin. They lost in CLT by over 400 votes. The U4C slate is not endorsed by the US members. The numbers are overwhelming and indisputable. You can rerun an election all you want. The results on the US side will be the same.