2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Looks like the MX contract is worse. In that regards, it looks like fleet at least did better [for once] than the MX.

 

[WeAAsles]

Quit fighting?  I think we ought to start fighting for once. And why do you think that when I disagree with you that I'm fighting?  The wages will still make us worst within the legacies but my biggest problem is that you can't tell me one thing about what my health care will look like in 2018.  I have a problem with that.  Also, how much did those extra union positions cost us? I saw that you guys upped it from 5 to 7 that the company has to pay for now.  
 
I can't agree with this contract Prez so I won't be a part of your 90% figure.  I think it will pass and it may approach 90% but looking at things long term, the language in the health care letter is extremely troubling.  Allowing the company to actually have the right to abolish all 3 plans is a joke.  Better to be straight up with folks and take it up the ass like they did at United when they raised all the caps and cost, instead of back dooring this thing in 4 years with "Drop Dead Health Care" language.  I'm not impressed if the IAM was against it,  the IAM failed to protect my health care in this contract, I would be impressed if it did. 
 
We went from Drop Dead scope to Drop Dead Health care.  Musical chairs.  The money was long overdue anyways with no pay raises for a few years, and even then, $23 is less than the other legacies.
 
And what did this contract do for 40% of us that are part time?  I thought you said you were going to bring them up to the same full time contributions/cost in regards to pension and health care?  Is there another contract in the industry that hammers part timers with 2X?
 
Look, people are hungry, your contract will pass, but don't dare think that I'm going to say this contract is good after you guys create a situation where an outside person or management can determine my future health care without any further negotiations.  That, my friend, is bull shitt.  As an aside, even the language in that health care letter is a joke.  Giving the company a 'reasonable period of time',  what the hell does that mean?  LMAO.  Go back and check with your buddies at United and see what management over there thinks "reasonable period of time" means for insourcing.

Here we go again. Did anyone REALLY expect otherwise?

Guess we should expect to see some You Tubes with that desk and window to the left coming again very shortly?

 

[700UW]

I thought 141 is "not your district"

Josh

And its not yours, I was a member of it.
 
And what does your post add to the topic?
 
Absolutely NOTHING.
 
Another waste of bandwidth.
 
Why dont you come clean and tell the board what you really do instead of being a liar and a fraud.

 

[mike33]

thanks 700  so within 30 days of ratification the TWU/IAM will file for SCS? 

Robbed, did you not get the whole agreement?
 

• 
  [SIZE=10pt]  [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]IAM agrees to file a Single Carrier Application with the NMB within thirty (30) days from date of ratification of this agreement [/SIZE]
  
• 
  [SIZE=10pt]  [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]The Company will be prepared to commence JCBA negotiations within thirty (30) days from date of ratification [/SIZE]
  

 

[mike33]

Here we go again. Did anyone REALLY expect otherwise?

Guess we should expect to see some You Tubes with that desk and window to the left coming again very shortly?

I actually thought it would be sooner as Wiki is sitting on his shoulder. 

 

[robbedagain]

mike I was able to print it out this morning and yes I did read it   got the info I was looking for  thanks bro.  
 
like that term sheet we all were waiting for and never came?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here we go again. Did anyone REALLY expect otherwise?

Guess we should expect to see some You Tubes with that desk and window to the left coming again very shortly?

So, you are going to start harassing or belittling someone for voting No?
 
My opinion is my opinion and the most sacred thing to me in my predicament is the security of my health care.  Maybe if I was single and 30 years old I'd vote yes.  Maybe if I was a employee in JAX I would vote yes due to the scope.  But I'm not.  I'm a 50+ age guy who likes to have concrete numbers on my health care and doesn't want to leave the healthcare out of my control or my unions control, and in some 3rd party hands.  And i'm financially fine so the money itself was a lesser issue.  For those who are hurting for cash NOW and raising a family then there is reason for them to vote yes even if that means tossing in their industry leading health care after 3.5 years. Everyone has to approach this from their perspective and no way in hell can I vote yes on a contract that leaves my healthcare cost, plan, etc. in the hands of management. 
 
I respect others opinions, as I did even in 2008, when I was against that TA.  Afterwards, you never saw me hammer Freedom or others who pushed for a yes vote. 

 

[Harry Callahan]

Tim:
How's the agc thing going ?
Harry

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim:
How's the agc thing going ?
Harry

Dunno Harry.
I think Tracy was our highest vote getting in the AGC ranks and is about 40 votes short prior to counting the challenged ballots and determining the 79 CLT ballots that weren't secret.  The vote count is next week and this whole process has benefitted all of us.

 

[WeAAsles]

So, you are going to start harassing or belittling someone for voting No?
 
My opinion is my opinion and the most sacred thing to me in my predicament is the security of my health care.  Maybe if I was single and 30 years old I'd vote yes.  Maybe if I was a employee in JAX I would vote yes due to the scope.  But I'm not.  I'm a 50+ age guy who likes to have concrete numbers on my health care and doesn't want to leave the healthcare out of my control or my unions control, and in some 3rd party hands.  And i'm financially fine so the money itself was a lesser issue.  For those who are hurting for cash NOW and raising a family then there is reason for them to vote yes even if that means tossing in their industry leading health care after 3.5 years. Everyone has to approach this from their perspective and no way in hell can I vote yes on a contract that leaves my healthcare cost, plan, etc. in the hands of management. 
 
I respect others opinions, as I did even in 2008, when I was against that TA.  Afterwards, you never saw me hammer Freedom or others who pushed for a yes vote.

Tim I read the letter last night and I'll read it again when I get the chance but to me it looked like they were going to try to find the lowest rate possible with keeping the highest quality? I'm going to be 50 myself next year so of course medical concerns me as well.

But you are running off on a diatribe once again seemingly attacking almost every aspect of the TA outside the staffing scope rather than asking questions and trying to understand it all. You have the people on here that can assist you in maybe putting your head around it all a little clearer, so why don't you give them the chance to do just that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I read the letter last night and I'll read it again when I get the chance but to me it looked like they were going to try to find the lowest rate possible with keeping the highest quality? I'm going to be 50 myself next year so of course medical concerns me as well.

But you are running off on a diatribe once again seemingly attacking almost every aspect of the TA outside the staffing scope rather than asking questions and trying to understand it all. You have the people on here that can assist you in maybe putting your head around it all a little clearer, so why don't you give them the chance to do just that.

The point of the health care attachment, and the arbitrator's scope is to cut the fat of the 80% plan so that it fits under the excise cap.  If that can't happen, then a new 80% watered down plan from a provider is had. Having cost, plans, deductibles, contributions determined with a blank check is foolish.
 
And the scope is good but, unlike the health care giveback, it has to be re-negotiated in any joint contract.  We better get one helluva wage increase in joint talks after this.

 

[WeAAsles]

The point of the health care attachment, and the arbitrator's scope is to cut the fat of the 80% plan so that it fits under the excise cap.  If that can't happen, then a new 80% watered down plan from a provider is had.  Due to Obama hammering the working class by taxing hard working people [with corporations passing the taxes down]  can you tell me that my health care won't exceed another $300 a month?  And if so, what about a part timer?  The members wanna know.

You're right Tim. I don't know what's going to happen under the ACA in the future for those of us with Cadillac Plans? We're also as Rez said not the only ones in this boat. We have to "hope" that the lobbying in that area helps first but we also may be able to come to an agreement during joint talks that takes the issue and gives us a little more clarity in the area of costs.

Lots of things can happen between now and the time that part of the law is implemented?

 

[PHXConx]

Here we go again. Did anyone REALLY expect otherwise?
Guess we should expect to see some You Tubes with that desk and window to the left coming again very shortly?

I have come to the understanding with Timmy... He is either schizophrenic. Or more than one person post to his account. Or far more likely he likes to be on both sides of an issue. "I was for it it before I was against it" defense. He is the eternal antagonist.. He wants to be seen as the fighter... He will fight anything.. That's great.. But fighting everything gets you no where eventually you have to fight FOR something to get things done. Until Timmy realizes this he will never be the effective representative he wants everyone to think he is.

IMHO

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have come to the understanding with Timmy... He is either schizophrenic. Or more than one person post to his account. Or far more likely he likes to be on both sides of an issue. "I was for it it before I was against it" defense. He is the eternal antagonist.. He wants to be seen as the fighter... He will fight anything.. That's great.. But fighting everything gets you no where eventually you have to fight FOR something to get things done. Until Timmy realizes this he will never be the effective representative he wants everyone to think he is.

IMHO

Fighting to keep my health care that I currently enjoy is worthy for me if it wasn't exchanged in a fair tradeoff.  The health care is a joke in this contract. Absolute joke. In fact, it isn't even in our hands or subject to negotiations like WeAAsles says.  We would have to give something up to tweak it.  OTOH, the scope is subject to negotiations since it's language explicitly says it is only until a joint agreement.  The reality is that if this contract passes, and it will, the health care cost, and even the plan [could be a whole new plan as well], contributions, etc will NOT be made known until some entity outside our union decides in 3.5 years.  If you can live with that and vote yes then fine, I simply can not. 
 
No reason to call me names or belittle my opinon.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And the reality is, I'm healthy right now as far as I know, God bless me.  For someone who has genuine health problems right now, it will be HAMMER TIME because what we are really talking about is up front cost and high deductables and maybe lifetime limits.  Having a $1 million lifetime limit will be a ***** for someone who really needs health care for serious and ongoing issues due to family or individual.