2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

Do you not understand the ACA is affecting Healthcare, not the unions, why dont you attend your meeting and ask Regan, he is the expert?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yes, ACA is affecting healthcare.  And I also know what I have right now and can keep unless I give it away.  Do you not understand that the company is under my current contract, regardless of ACA?  I'm willing to trade off but not with a blank check and with little return.  THe company needs this, so I can't blame them for hoodwinking Tommy over a wage bump.
 
My health is fine, but this will be catastrophe for someone who has serious and ongoing health issues.  Who knows, maybe the new health care plan has a $1 million lifetime cap.  Tommy should have at least negotiated perimeters as they did at United where the cost were alive and real, bad but real, instead of punting the entire damn thing to management.  WTH?

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes, ACA is affecting healthcare.  And I also know what I have right now and can keep unless I give it away.  Do you not understand that the company is under my current contract, regardless of ACA?  I'm willing to trade off but not with a blank check and with little return.  THe company needs this, so I can't blame them for hoodwinking Tommy over a wage bump.
 
My health is fine, but this will be catastrophe for someone who has serious and ongoing health issues.  Who knows, maybe the new health care plan has a $1 million lifetime cap.  Tommy should have at least negotiated perimeters as they did at United where the cost were alive and real, bad but real, instead of punting the entire damn thing to management.  WTH?

Tim not even factoring in what improvements there may be under a JCBA, your current agreement will give you roughly $720 extra dollars per month from where you are now if it reached the end.

Do you really believe your rates will get even close to $720 per month more than you pay now? You have to think realistically sometimes.

 

[737823]

Do you not understand the ACA is affecting Healthcare, not the unions, why dont you attend your meeting and ask Regan, he is the expert?

Will the IAM/TWU alliance address health care?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Will the IAM/TWU alliance address health care?
Josh

Charlie is there any chance you could stop getting your jollies and baiting 700? Everyone knows who you are and this is why you lose all credibility with myself and others. If you wind up staying in ORD, all the people from both groups there will know about you as well. I can absolutely assure you.

 

[robbedagain]

oviously josh did not read prez's comment about that  and its not just a union thing  

 

[PHXConx]

 
 

Fighting to keep my health care that I currently enjoy is worthy for me if it wasn't exchanged in a fair tradeoff.  The health care is a joke in this contract. Absolute joke. In fact, it isn't even in our hands or subject to negotiations like WeAAsles says.  We would have to give something up to tweak it.  OTOH, the scope is subject to negotiations since it's language explicitly says it is only until a joint agreement.  The reality is that if this contract passes, and it will, the health care cost, and even the plan [could be a whole new plan as well], contributions, etc will NOT be made known until some entity outside our union decides in 3.5 years.  If you can live with that and vote yes then fine, I simply can not. 
 
No reason to call me names or belittle my opinon.

 
then call congress and have them end this Frankenstein law...  because like it or not this was foreseen we knew this was coming...  
 
http://www.iam141.org/messenger/docs/3Top-10-Affordable-Care-Act-Bargaining-Issues-for-Unions.pdf
 
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/healthpolicy/acaguide12.pdf
 
 
 
and give me a break i didnt call you names i gave my opinion of your actions, yesterday you were for this TA and now you are against it... you do this all the time timmy and thats my right to call it like i see it...  and you of all people can not get bent out of shape about someone else belittling your opinion 

 

[Rook]

Can anyone tell me why the IAM is so strongly against using DOH?
What lawsuit are they saying is why we dont use it?
We use DOH for everything except bidding vacation and shift which is BS!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Will the IAM/TWU alliance address health care?

Josh

If this TA passes, which it will, addressing health care would have to come at a concession to something else since LUS health care will become the absolute worst in the industry.  So bad, that there aren't even any numbers until management decides if it will abolish all the plans or not.  And the whole, 'ACA thing'  is a strawman since the company has to abide by our contract unless we cough up our health care.  Not even any negotiated rates, premiums, contributions, caps, NO NOTHING.  Gents, welcome to the age of blank checks, freely given to management by your negotiating committee.  God help any of us if we develop or have a chronic condition and our health care has a high deductable....because management says so.  WTF?

 

[700UW]

Can anyone tell me why the IAM is so strongly against using DOH?
What lawsuit are they saying is why we dont use it?
We use DOH for everything except bidding vacation and shift which is BS!

The IAM uses DOH into the classification, that is what is in the SIL agreement with the TWU.
 
I have been through three mergers as an IAM represented employee at US and never lost a day's seniority.
 
Your issue deals back to the fence agreement when the ramp went union and above wing didnt.

 

[700UW]

Funny Joshie asks me a question and Tim answers himself, oops I mean Joshie.

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
 
 
 
then call congress and have them end this Frankenstein law...  because like it or not this was foreseen we knew this was coming...  
 
http://www.iam141.org/messenger/docs/3Top-10-Affordable-Care-Act-Bargaining-Issues-for-Unions.pdf
 
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/healthpolicy/acaguide12.pdf
 
 
 
and give me a break i didnt call you names i gave my opinion of your actions, yesterday you were for this TA and now you are against it... you do this all the time timmy and thats my right to call it like i see it...  and you of all people can not get bent out of shape about someone else belittling your opinion 

Kindly show my post where I was for this TA?

 

[Tim Nelson]

A serious question, from the company standpoint, if it abolishes the 3 plans and offers a new plan, are there any more freedoms for the company with a "New Plan"  than having a current plan grandfathered?

 

[WeAAsles]

If this TA passes, which it will, addressing health care would have to come at a concession to something else since LUS health care will become the absolute worst in the industry.  So bad, that there aren't even any numbers until management decides if it will abolish all the plans or not.  And the whole, 'ACA thing'  is a strawman since the company has to abide by our contract unless we cough up our health care.  Not even any negotiated rates, premiums, contributions, caps, NO NOTHING.  Gents, welcome to the age of blank checks, freely given to management by your negotiating committee.  God help any of us if we develop or have a chronic condition and our health care has a high deductable....because management says so.  WTF?

Oh what a heaping, stinking load of psycobabble if I EVER saw one.

Hey Chicken Little, the sky is falling. Better go hide out in a cave.

 

[WeAAsles]

A serious question, from the company standpoint, if it abolishes the 3 plans and offers a new plan, are there any more freedoms for the company with a "New Plan"  than having a current plan grandfathered?

Yea that's it. Screw the unborn why don't you!

You're a real stand up union man with that type of comment.