2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[mike33]

Tommy is the one who came up with this health care mess.  Why didn't he at least put in hard numbers like they did at United, even though the numbers blow?  Why just allow the company to have the right to terminate all 3 plans and come up with a new "SEE management for future rates"?  WTH?  C'mon maannnnn.  The contract will pass so this isn't some sorta trick question, but the health care in this new TA will absolutely blow.

And what would you say if it wasn't there in the final TA agreement...  I'm sure you would find something.....Right?

 

[WeAAsles]

And what would you say if it wasn't there in the final TA agreement...  I'm sure you would find something.....Right?

+1. History consistently repeated.

 

[700UW]

Tommy is the one who came up with this health care mess.  Why didn't he at least put in hard numbers like they did at United, even though the numbers blow?  Why just allow the company to have the right to terminate all 3 plans and come up with a new "SEE management for future rates"?  WTH?  C'mon maannnnn.  The contract will pass so this isn't some sorta trick question, but the health care in this new TA will absolutely blow.

Why are you ranting instead of going to the source and ask him yourself?
 
Oh wait, you wont, because you would rather sit on a computer and rile up people instead of getting the facts.
 
Wait, are you saying something positive about the UA CBA?
 
After months of bashing it and those who even had nothing to do with?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Don't you think that the company would much rather have the same plans thru-out the whole company?.....Why so skeptical?

It's not for me to say Mike.  It's not for you to say either.  It's for management to say according to our TA.  None of us know what management will do with the blank check.  Although United's contract regarding health care incorporated affordable care with numbers that suck, it at least made things objective by filling in numbers and locking them into a contract as opposed to just serving up health care to outsiders without any further negotiations.  That's why I asked the question about the ACA, i.e., does it benefit the company financially to just abolish all 3 plans, due to grandfathering, and come up with a new 80% plan?  I dunno, but they have the opportunity to abolish all 3 plans and come up with a new one that it feels is appropriate.  And what about that "Reasonable timetable"?  I'm uncomfortable with that as well since 'reasonable' may mean a lengthly delay as it has at United.  
 
Whatever the case, it's a legit question and one that should be answered since we are being asked to vote on this predicament.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim did you ever stop to think about the affects of the Obama Care that could be a factor in this  if this is in fact true?  Secondly, I personally cant see the new company with as many employees as we have at the combined air carrier getting rid of the current plans   That could seriously cause more trouble than the company wants  

It's definitely because of Obama hammering working people with his shitt.  That's not the question.  We have a union contract and it was the company that needed to work out a new deal for health care, otherwise, it fully has to abide by our contract and would be subject to absolutely ridiculous 40% taxes.  Allowing the company out of that BIGTIME fallout for a small wage bump, and to allow the company to fill in the blanks or even abolish all 3 plans is something that makes me incredibly uncomfortable with.
 
Will you at least acknowledge that our new health care will suck and that we or our union won't have any say so about it since it will be punted to 3rd persons and/or management has other options?

 

[Tim Nelson]

And what would you say if it wasn't there in the final TA agreement...  I'm sure you would find something.....Right?

I don't know Mike. I simply can't say for certain about any make believe TA.   What I can say with certainty is that this health care thing is a big one, as in monster problem.  And it is such a unknown problem that I would be too uncomfortable to vote yes on this.   Have you ever saw any airline agreement that gets ratified without any cost outs for future health care and just tosses everything out of our control and into management's?  I have a problem with that.  The company even has a right to abolish all 3 plans.  Not good Mike.  If we were to address ACA and allow the company off the hook from our contract, don't you at least see that we ought to have spelled out cost/contributions/deductibles, etc?
 
And please respect my opinion as a No voter and the legitimacy of voting no based on the  "See Management" Health care.
 
Bottom line is that folks may vote yes due to their need for money or maybe scope. I get that.  But everyone that is unbiased would have to say our health care situation will absolutely suck balls in 3.5 years. It's simply a price too high for me.

 

[NYer]

Is this about TWA?
 
And how many times are you going to lie about this?
 
You know damn well the TWU and the APFA both reneged on their deals, the TWU went to arbitration and the APFA stapled and the IAM spent over $5 million fighting for the flight attendants that they didnt even represent anymore.

So if anyone is to blame its the TWU and the APFA and the stand they both took.
 
But you are nothing more than a POS, so go back to your bridge.

Stand? The IAM and the TWU went to arbitration, as specified under Allegheny-Mohawk, and the ruling was made.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's definitely because of Obama hammering working people with his shitt.  That's not the question.  We have a union contract and it was the company that needed to work out a new deal for health care, otherwise, it fully has to abide by our contract and would be subject to absolutely ridiculous 40% taxes.  Allowing the company out of that BIGTIME fallout for a small wage bump, and to allow the company to fill in the blanks or even abolish all 3 plans is something that makes me incredibly uncomfortable with.
 
Will you at least acknowledge that our new health care will suck and that we or our union won't have any say so about it since it will be punted to 3rd persons and/or management has other options?

Love it. "Small wage bump" $720.00 for a topped out FTer per month roughly in Sept 2017.

That's $720.00 per month Tim. $720.00. Am I getting through at all?

$720.00 per month.

 

[NYer]

I don't know Mike. I simply can't say for certain about any make believe TA.   What I can say with certainty is that this health care thing is a big one, as in monster problem.  And it is such a unknown problem that I would be too uncomfortable to vote yes on this.   Have you ever saw any airline agreement that gets ratified without any cost outs for future health care and just tosses everything out of our control and into management's?  I have a problem with that.  The company even has a right to abolish all 3 plans.  Not good Mike.  If we were to address ACA and allow the company off the hook from our contract, don't you at least see that we ought to have spelled out cost/contributions/deductibles, etc?
 
And please respect my opinion as a No voter and the legitimacy of voting no based on the  "See Management" Health care.
 
Bottom line is that folks may vote yes due to their need for money or maybe scope. I get that.  But everyone that is unbiased would have to say our health care situation will absolutely suck balls in 3.5 years. It's simply a price too high for me.

You guys are going to have to deal with this issue regardless of how you vote. The Multi-employer health plans are in flux because of the ACA.

Not sure how you jump to all these conclusions of blank checks and everything being thrown out of your control. It seems the only issue addressed in this TA is the excise tax, of which the triggers are a matter of law and not in the airlines' control.

 

[PHXConx]

Why are you ranting instead of going to the source and ask him yourself?
 
 

Tommy probably has Timmy's number blocked... 

 

[PHXConx]

You guys are going to have to deal with this issue regardless of how you vote. The Multi-employer health plans are in flux because of the ACA.

+1 

 

[PHXConx]

 
 
Will you at least acknowledge that our new health care will suck and that we or our union won't have any say so about it since it will be punted to 3rd persons and/or management has other options?

 
 

I don't know Mike. I simply can't say for certain about any make believe TA.   

 
 
you cant say for certain about a "make believe ta"
 
but you are saying for certain for a make believe health coverage that hasnt happened yet??
 
consistently inconsistent 

 

[700UW]

Does anyone realize this is the same guy who said this an that about the TA coming out and him and wiki said all that crap, and yet they were both wrong, are you all going to give him a pass or are you going to make him admit, he was totally wrong?

 

[700UW]

Tommy probably has Timmy's number blocked... 

Actually he doesnt.

 

[robbedagain]

As for new healthcare what we have now is better than what is on the outside. And its most certainly better than what I had when I was at EN in all honesty I do think that our health care can stay the way it is with 100/90/80 but for me ive started with the fsa or hsa program