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snapthis said:
The ad itself used a single pilot incident that happened on June 16 to show the supposed danger of flying the airline. Apparently there was a flight scheduled to cross the Atlantic from Philly that evening and there were a couple of mechanical issues. There are some mechanical issues that arent considered crucial to be fixed, and that appears to be the case here, but the captain refused to fly the airplane and then, according to the union, she was escorted out of the airport by corporate security. The next crew refused to fly the airplane as well. Over the next couple hours, some maintenance work was done and the airplane went on its way with a third crew.

This is why the union says US Airways is an unsafe airline. It says the airline is intimidating its pilots and pushing them to fly even if its not safe. Then if they refuse, it has security remove them. Sounds bad, right? Too bad its a crock.

Now, regarding the mechanical incident itself, I dont know whether the captain did the right thing by refusing to fly the airplane. I do know that the FAA found US Airways did nothing wrong. Heres the statement:

The FAA manager assigned to the US Airways certificate reviewed the June 16, 2011 incident. The APU shutdown the aircraft experienced is a failure that pilots are well aware can happen and that they are trained to recognize. The battery apparently was depleted by attempts to restart the APU. Flying an aircraft with an inoperative APU is not an unusual event and normally poses no safety issues when proper limitations are applied. The Captain simply chose to exercise her pilot-in-command authority of not accepting an aircraft. Our information indicates that US Airways followed their approved MEL procedures, and all maintenance procedures were followed in accordance with the operators approved maintenance program. We found no violations of Federal Aviation Regulations.

That being said, if a captain doesnt feel comfortable flying an airplane, then its his or her right to deny it. The problem arises when that privilege is abused just to delay or cancel flights without good reason. Im not saying that happened here. I dont know, and frankly, its not central to my point. I have no problem in theory with her walking away from the flight.

But why would security come escort the captain from the airport? USAPA wants you to believe its because she refused to fly the airplane. Not quite. According to US Airways, the Captain was escorted out of the airport by corporate security (after being released from duty) not for her refusal to fly but for her comments made to customers regarding the safety of the aircraft. Unfortunately, I dont know details about what she said to the passengers, but it was apparently highly inappropriate. See more in this a.net discussion. I would have had her carted off the airplane as well.

In reality, there is nothing pointing to US Airways being unsafe but rather more evidence of the airline having good safety practices. It recently passed the IATA Operational Safety Audit, for example. But that wont stop the union from trying to sully the airlines reputation. (Get it? Sully? I crack myself up.)

In the end, USAPA simply wants to damage US Airways as if this will somehow convince the airline to throw a ton of money at the union and solve all its problems. Unfortunately, the union needs to solve its own problems regarding seniority before it can even be ready to talk to management, and it doesnt seem any closer to doing so. I feel really bad for those pilots who never even wanted this union to represent them in the first place. This whole thing is simply pathetic and more than worthy of the Cranky Jackass Award.

[Thanks to Johosofat for the excellent Cranky Jackass Award]
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You west pilots standing in front of Mr. Doug Parker in a PHX pilot meeting reporting all this, was very inspiring.  Good job!
 
alpa drivel. 
 
"John McIlvenna, who has served as vice chairman since May, joined
America West in 1998 and is an Airbus 320/319 pilot. Previously, he was a status
representative who served on the MEC. He also served on various pilot committees both
at America West and at his former carrier."
 
Former alpa mec leader John Mcllvenna stood up in a PHX pilot meeting with Mr. Doug Parker and said he witnessed US Airways East pilots taxing with two engines and apu running.  
 
What a far fetched accusation!  Way to go Johnny Mc, alpa team player. 
 
It is over west pilots, the lady sings. 
 
There is some natural talent in this video, you choose and hopefully those that can help them will.  I hope they will go farther in their endeavors.  The fanny pack wearing wanna be rapper should get the hook IMHO.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgANbh81-8A
 
Claxon said:
It is over west pilots, the lady sings. 
 
 
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You wish, you little weasel.  I think you are in for a big surprise and I can't wait to witness your meltdown.  As for continuing to call us scabs, go for it.  Everyone knows that the true scab mentality lies in the hearts of those who welch on their agreements simply because they didn't get their way.  You're nothing but a bunch of punks and your house of cards is falling down around you.  I know you can't handle that and will enjoy watching you squirm.
 
Ames said:
You wish, you little weasel.  I think you are in for a big surprise and I can't wait to witness your meltdown.  As for continuing to call us scabs, go for it.  Everyone knows that the true scab mentality lies in the hearts of those who welch on their agreements simply because they didn't get their way.  You're nothing but a bunch of punks and your house of cards is falling down around you.  I know you can't handle that and will enjoy watching you squirm.
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So your request for a donation reimbursement was denied by Ferggie and Koontz.   My condolences.   Its always the fine print that gets you.  
 
Ames said:
You wish, you little weasel.  I think you are in for a big surprise and I can't wait to witness your meltdown.  As for continuing to call us scabs, go for it.  Everyone knows that the true scab mentality lies in the hearts of those who welch on their agreements simply because they didn't get their way.  You're nothing but a bunch of punks and your house of cards is falling down around you.  I know you can't handle that and will enjoy watching you squirm.
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Someone needs anger management class and time out.
 
Ames said:
You wish, you little weasel.  I think you are in for a big surprise and I can't wait to witness your meltdown.  As for continuing to call us scabs, go for it.  Everyone knows that the true scab mentality lies in the hearts of those who welch on their agreements simply because they didn't get their way.  You're nothing but a bunch of punks and your house of cards is falling down around you.  I know you can't handle that and will enjoy watching you squirm.
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So can I ask what the "big surprise" is going to be? Or can you not divulge that info over this anonymous web board as it could be mistaken for actual fact that can be used in court? Just asking...
 
btw, 9 days until we see the Integration Protocol agreement defining just who is involved and how the integration of the 3 lists will be completed... 🙂 
 
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btw, 9 days until we see the Integration Protocol agreement defining just who is involved and how the integration of the 3 lists will be completed... 🙂
[/quote] We know you mean two lists.
 
Ames said:
You're nothing but a bunch of punks.....
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Be gentle with us here, mighty "dire wolf"! After all; not everyone can fantasize themselves heroic "spartans" and "soldiers" (much less "battle"-tested "knights) in some supposed "army" that only exists entirely within the confines of Fantasyland. Most of us must live in the Real World. 😉 Get over "you'se" AWAsome selves, and at least attempt adulthood at some level, whatever's both possible and at all sustainable at least...or live your lives as complete jokes. "You'se" choice. None others need, or can be reasonably expected to care.
 
P.S. "I think you are in for a big surprise and I can't wait to witness your meltdown." Poor delivery, since it was too-early identified as an obvious joke via the "I think" portion...But I still have to laugh. 🙂
 
Ames said:
You wish, you little weasel.  I think you are in for a big surprise and I can't wait to witness your meltdown.  As for continuing to call us scabs, go for it.  Everyone knows that the true scab mentality lies in the hearts of those who welch on their agreements simply because they didn't get their way.  You're nothing but a bunch of punks and your house of cards is falling down around you.  I know you can't handle that and will enjoy watching you squirm.
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Ames listened to the slick lawyers working as Harpers' grifters.
Eric Ferguson talked a bunch of west pilots into a box. Ferguson is in far over his head now.
Wye River, St Louis, Texas. Eric didn't listen. It is over now.
 
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