2014 Pilot Discussion

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I think the conditions and restrictions on a judge's ruling were constructive but it's nice to know you'll miss Rocky and Ken.

We'll see you at the APA.

I think the conditions and restrictions on a judge's ruling were constructive but it's nice to know you'll miss Rocky and Ken.

We'll see you at the APA.

In DC at federal court with the NMB!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Who do you think you are "767JETZ" !

 

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In DC at federal court with the NMB!

Who's the plaintiff?

Who's the defendant?

 

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USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives
USAPA Merger Committee
APA Board of Directors
American Airlines Group, Inc.
From: Capt. Ken Stravers
F/0 James Rocky Calveri
Re: Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement
Date: January 30, 2014

We are the two former America West pilots who have been serving on the USAPA BPR-appointed Merger Committee tasked with representing US Airways pilots in connection with the pilot seniority integration that will occur as a result of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, When we became members of the Merger Committee, we made clear that our role on the Committee was to insist that the seniority list established by the Nicolau Award be used as the base US Airways seniority list in any seniority integration with
any other pilot group. Throughout our tenure on the Committee, we have taken that position. Additionally, since discussions with APA over a seniority integration protocol agreement have commenced, we have taken the position that once a single organization is certified as the representative of all New American pilots, that organization should appoint three merger committees - one to represent American pilots, one to represent US Airways (East) pilots and one to represent US Airways (West) pilots.

Unfortunately, the other members of the Merger Committee - all of whom are East pilots - have refused to consider the Nicolau Award seniority list as a basis for any seniority integration. We further understand that those Committee members - without our participation at all - have developed what they plan to use as a US Airways seniority list in a negotiation and arbitration in connection with the American merger. Finally, we understand that on January 29, 2014, the USAPA Merger Committee - over our objection - submitted a response to an APA propose seniority integration protocol agreement that contemplated only two merger committees - one to represent the pre-merger American pilots and the other to represent the pre-merger US Airways pilots, both East and West.

We are writing this memo to communicate to you our view that any such structure, if adopted, will not provide US Airways (West) pilots any meaningful participation in an American/US Airways seniority integration and will insure that the Nicolau Award a.. will not form the basis for the US Airways' Merger Committee's position regarding seniority integration, and B.. will not even be presented to the American Merger Committee in negotiations or to an arbitrator, if there is an arbitration, as a basis for a US Airways seniority list to be integrated with an American seniority list.

Under these circumstances, we want to make certain that an participating entities know that we, on behalf of the US Airways (West) pilots, do not support the proposed protocol agreement proffered by the USAPA Merger Committee. Further, in light of the USAPA Merger Committee's position on the protocol agreement and
on the role of the Nicolau Award in the American/US Airways Merger, we have determined that the Merger Committee is not committed to represent fairly the interests of the West pilots and we can no longer continue to serve on that Committee. Accordingly, we are providing you with 30 days notice of our resignation from the USAPA Merger Committee.

Why wait?  Quit now and get it over with.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Who's the plaintiff?

Who's the defendant?

Hey smart guy, now who wrote the M/B legislation ? Who?

 

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Hey smart guy, now who wrote the M/B legislation ? Who?

You plan to sue a senator?

Have you thought about taking it to binding arbitration?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Why wait?  Quit now and get it over with.

That letter was hilarious, my guess DEC 2018 JOINT anything, you gotta love DUI DOUG!  Bonus's and economic targets, my guess the APA will take a little while to get over that love hangover!

 

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You plan to sue a senator?

A senator sponsored a bill written by whom? Yes you are that , no surprise !

 

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A senator sponsored a bill written by whom? Yes you are that , no surprise !

A senator?

Do you have more surprises?

 

[Phoenix]

 
I don't think it'll be the west pilots filing the DFR lawsuit when the dust finally settles.  It'll be USAPA, or what's left of it, filing a DFR suit against the APA.  It will, of course, go nowhere.

 
 
I doubt it will be necessary, but if it does go to court it won't be a DFR suit it will be a breach of contract, it won't take eight years, and the complaint won't be based on an AOL-styled implicit assumption.  😀

 

[dca319]

 
 
I doubt it will be necessary, but if it does go to court it won't be a DFR suit it will be a breach of contract, it won't take eight years, and the complaint won't be based on an AOL-styled implicit assumption.   😀

 
Good luck with that.  Silver's decision in their back pocket is going to make it an impossible going for USAPA. Its quite obvious from the MC's letter and all that's transpired up to this point that USAPA is a non-player.  You won't see any protocol come out until APA becomes the CBA.  If it was as cut and dry as USAPA says it was, APA would have responded long ago.
 
And given our history, why would you think we would come out ahead in the end?  We never have and this will be no different.

 

[Phoenix]

Why wait?  Quit now and get it over with.

 
 
Members of a committee are publicly revealing and opposing details of an ongoing negotiation (they think they are entitled to continue doing so for another 30 days), which by definition are interfering with negotiations.  At a very minimum their unprofessional interference and attempt to manipulate the parties has caused a delay in the process.   If members of the committee were not required to sign a non-disclosure agreement then APA and USAPA F-ed up and need to fix that post haste.
 
Their resignation should be accepted as effective immediately and they should consider themselves lucky if they are not excoriated for their unprofessional behavior.   

 

[Phoenix]

 
Good luck with that.  Silver's decision in their back pocket is going to make it an impossible going for USAPA. Its quite obvious from the MC's letter and all that's transpired up to this point that USAPA is a non-player.  You won't see any protocol come out until APA becomes the CBA.  If it was as cut and dry as USAPA says it was, APA would have responded long ago.
 
And given our history, why would you think we would come out ahead in the end?  We never have and this will be no different.

 
You Nic fans have been begging to use the Nic for eight years.    Tell us again how victory is imminent.  Make another Harry Potter video!  

 

[dca319]

 
Their resignation should be accepted as effective immediately and they should consider themselves lucky if they are not excoriated for their unprofessional behavior.   

I'm sure they're shitting in their pants.

 

[dca319]

 
You Nic fans have been begging to use the Nic for eight years.    Tell us again how victory is imminent.  Make another Harry Potter video!  

USAPA has been promising and proclaiming victory for years.  Maybe we should be the one's making the video.