2014 Pilot Discussion

[Res Judicata]

Isn't it funny how when we tried many times to talk to the west about solutions. They said we can't we don't have any legal entity, and now they have elected their own merger committe and are ready to go. Looking for flight pay loss and all

Silver is giving the West the Legal entity. That's the big difference Einstein.

 

[Phoenix]

Silver is giving the West the Legal entity. That's the big difference Einstein.

 
 
Where did Judge Silver grant the plaintiffs bargaining agent status?  Show your work, Einstein.  😉

 

[traderjake]

The Referendum Balloting Ad Hoc Committee announces the results of the 2014 Constitution Amendment and Recall Referendum. Thank you to all members who voted. The results are shown below:

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  The Constitution and Bylaws will not be amended.
  
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  The President has not been recalled.
  
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  The Vice President has not been recalled.
  

 

[Phoenix]

 
The Referendum Balloting Ad Hoc Committee announces the results of the 2014 Constitution Amendment and Recall Referendum. Thank you to all members who voted. The results are shown below:

• The Constitution and Bylaws will not be amended.
• The President has not been recalled.
• The Vice President has not been recalled.

 

 
Thanks to all who voted.
 
When did we get a Balloting Ad Hoc Committee, and who is the chairman of the Balloting Ad Hoc Committee? 🙂

 

[traderjake]

 
When did we get a Balloting Ad Hoc Committee, and who is the chairman of the Balloting Ad Hoc Committee? 🙂

 
What do you suggest, we let the BPR count the votes?  *
 
*note stategic use of emoticon

 

[Phoenix]

 
What do you suggest, we let the BPR count the votes?  *
 
*note stategic use of emoticon

 
 
Well done with the emoticon.  I know it was hard for you.  
 
Are you suggesting that if the BPR counted the votes, they would be tempted not to tell you the truth if it didn't go their way?  
 
Who encouraged the ballot certification committee members to resign and who appointed their replacements? Who is the chairman of the Balloting Ad Hoc Committee and did he/she collect or solicit  donations to influence the outcome of the election that they counted votes for?  Appearance of integrity be damned? 😉

 

[traderjake]

 

Ballot Certification Committee Resigns
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To the USAPA Officers and BPR: 12/24/2013
 
It is with great regret that we tender our resignations from the Ballot Certification Committee immediately.

It has been a privilege serving the pilots of USAPA, and we thank them for trusting us with the oversight of this important committee. We recognize that our members have very diverse and passionate views. USAPA's elections and referendums are the vehicle by which the collective will of our pilots is truly and accurately expressed.

We have had many challenges to overcome, both internal and external, in order to maintain fair elections for our pilots. Since its inception, every election conducted by this committee has adhered to the highest ethical standards, and has met or exceeded every applicable statute outlined by the US Department of Labor. We have worked very closely with the Department of Labor and have received high accolades from them, as well as from our pilots. We are proud of the fact that the Department of Labor has upheld this committee's actions and decisions in every challenge which has arisen to date.

The time commitment involved in scheduling, conducting, and officiating elections is considerable. Every member of our committee is married with young children. Our families' support, encouragement, and willingness to sacrifice time together, is what has made it possible for us to serve our fellow pilots.

We've dealt with a lot of challenges over the years, but the dysfunction and dirty politics which now seem to permeate USAPA's governing body has reached a level that we have not witnessed before at USAPA. It is truly sad to see just how much we have returned to the practices of our former bargaining agent.

It has recently come to our attention that several current and former BPR members have begun a campaign to undermine our personal integrity, and the integrity of the Ballot Certification Committee. We can only speculate that the intent of this campaign is to influence the outcome of the current recall referendum. We willingly endured the sacrifices to our personal and family lives in order to contribute to an organization which promised a better way to do business. Quite frankly, with the current level of dysfunction in USAPA, we have neither the time nor the desire to deal with such distractions.

We currently find ourselves in the difficult position of having to administer a recall referendum without the guidance of the Constitution and Bylaws or the UOM. In cases such as these, we must defer to the governing body for guidance. Unfortunately, recent actions by members of the BPR in knowingly disseminating false information to our pilots make it clear that the governing body lacks the integrity our pilots deserve. We refuse to be a part of any of that, and so we feel duty-bound to resign from the Ballot Certification Committee.

We are by no means trying to interfere with the ongoing referendum by withdrawing our volunteer services. Thus, should the BPR and officers request, we will provide the association with technical assistance in order to finish the current referendum and PHX nominations.

Fraternally,

Jay Morgan

Wes Yount

Andy Hunt


 

 

[Freighterguynow]

HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE NUMBER OF SCABS FROM EACH AIRLINE:
Air North Summary
AirNorth Both Scabs Listed
Australian Summary AFAP 89 85 America West & Braniff Scabs
Century Summary Century 1 Scab Identified Thus Far
Continental Summary CAL 83 2,019 Scabs listed
Eastern Summary EAL 89 2,255 Scabs Listed
National Summary NAL 48 101 Scabs listed out of 167 total
Northwest Summary
NWA 78 34 Scabs listed
Pan American Summary PAA 85 139 Scabs listed

 

[snapthis]

 
The Referendum Balloting Ad Hoc Committee announces the results of the 2014 Constitution Amendment and Recall Referendum. Thank you to all members who voted. The results are shown below:

• The Constitution and Bylaws will not be amended.
• The President has not been recalled.
• The Vice President has not been recalled

LuvClaxon

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

We willingly endured the sacrifices to our personal and family lives in order to contribute to an organization which promised a better way to do business. Quite frankly, with the current level of dysfunction in USAPA, we have neither the time nor the desire to deal with such distractions.
JAY , WES , ANDY, It wasn't MT EVEREST, You surely are a bunch of "DRAMA QUEENS" do the job or resign, you got "FPL" suck it up!

 

[Bill Brasky]

Now, let's get rid of the power-grab BPR members poste haste.  All should be shown the door.

 

[Bill Brasky]

They DID resign.  Where have YOU been?

 

[Phoenix]

We willingly endured the sacrifices to our personal and family lives in order to contribute to an organization which promised a better way to do business. Quite frankly, with the current level of dysfunction in USAPA, we have neither the time nor the desire to deal with such distractions.
JAY , WES , ANDY, It wasn't MT EVEREST, You surely are a bunch of "DRAMA QUEENS" do the job or resign, you got "FPL" suck it up!

 
 
I don't have a problem if they want to quit a voluntary job but the timing and the way in which they quit poisoned the vote.  They jumped on the political drama campaign in the middle of a vote, provided the one being up for recall a political campaign prop, and then their "resignation" obligated the one being recalled to appoint an ad hoc committee to certify the ballots.... and Why hasn't anyone announce to you who was the new chairman of the ad hoc balloting committee....?  And why hasn't anyone asked if the new chairman campaigned or solicited funds on behalf of the one who appointed him/her as the new chairman.....?  
 
There is one thing worse than having a personal political vendetta (accusing the whole BPR of lying) and that is for leaders to flout any necessity to have even a minimal appearance of integrity.  
 
Cheer up!  Things are going to get a lot worse.  Its a merger.  

 

[Bill Brasky]

The process was poisoned by whomever tried to illegally influence the election.  I probably would have done the same thing, only been much more vocal about exactly what "undue influence" was being proposed.
 
Wasn't the entire matter of choosing interim committee positions already hashed out by these same factions?  Who do these BPR members think they are?...Congress?

 

[luvthe9]

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." –Mark Twain