2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

That is correct. It has, from the get go, been about the West ' spoils of war ' mentality and what you can take away from another to benefit yourselves.
When America West was sniffing around American Trans Air you were ALL about date of hire then. You wanted all the Captain and wide body jobs in turn relegating the Trans air guys to the right seat of a narrowbody because you were 'entitled' because you 'saved' their jobs.
You demanded separate ops and membership ratification. You did. Because you wanted the ability to tie the integration should the award be not to your liking. Yet, when the East tied up the integration using the very process you envisioned for yourselves you Boo Hooo and accuse us of lacking 'integrity'.
Look no further than the 757 and E-190 arbitrations where in both cases you demanded 1/2 of all position for yourselves. 30% of the pilots demand 50% of the benefits.
Then there was your 'zipper bid' proposal ensuring the west pilots would be number 1 in every seat in every base for bidding the monthly lines even if that West pilot was dead last on the permanent bid award. You love to quote Nicolau what did the Arbitration say in the E-190 case? The West proposal was "overreaching"
It takes two to tango. By trying a seniority land-grab you will, after a decade of being fenced in PHX under contract 2004 now missing out on the next two ( or more ) years of explosive growth at American and the East, pay the price for your actions.
The fitting part is that, in the end, you did it to yourselves.

. Very we'll said, and the rest of the industry is in agreement.

 

[luvthe9]

That's quite the fantasy.
Pathetic.

Kind of sounds like the what Ferguson and Koontz sold you kids.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey Snappy. You like to quote from other boards. Here's one you missed from an AA guy:
 
"Dunno, but crazy patronizing, and not going to win friends or influence people.

There's GOT to be an answer. The West blames the East for not giving the Nic a big hug, but that's like hugging an Arizona cactus.

For the West guys - simple question... is it fair that a 2003 West pilot is placed ahead of a 1987 East pilot who has been flying continuously from that year?

If by some twisted magic an AA new hire was plugged into our seniority list sixteen years advanced, you'd have a mutiny."

 

[snapthis]

Fr8tweasel, the reason y'all want separate ops is you seriously poisoned the waters with your USAPA experiment. Yousaps weakened unionism by abusing union power by making the objective of cheating West pilots out of an agreement than as a bargaining agent.

Weasels like yourself who were furloughed as a result of no fault of West pilots should not have to pay for your failed airway aspirations. You're going to find that Parker will no longer be kissing anybody's azz in Charlotte. He'll be taking that silver bird with his new friends to Rio out of Miami. You'll be boarding FCFS to Allentown.

Where does that leave you? Having to pull the gear for some very ticked off Cactus pilots you tried to screw with your union experiment. An experiment that will most likely miss out on profit sharing this year.

Enjoy that bean burrito and Big Gulp by yourself when you fly trip with your combined ops West Captain

 

[traderjake]

For the West guys - simple question... is it fair that a 2003 West pilot is placed ahead of a 1987 East pilot who has been flying continuously from that year?
 

 
Yes, if the West pilot had more seniority in the same equipment and status.
 
The most LOS friendly arbitration said that equipment and status is twice as important as LOS. 

 

[snapthis]

That emergency hotline is ringing off the shelf. Anybody seen Streble?

Here's some comments from some very dissatisfied customers................

I have still not received a bill (paper or otherwise) from these knuckle draggers since going off DCO back in November. Are the rest of you Yes....she knows USAPA are scumbags and the company are weasels but she has always been spooked about how the 9th would view all of this. discontinued DCO getting monthly bills?

I'm pretty sure I'm done paying, so they and their corrupt billing practices can kiss my a$

Here, here.

We just we need to know if there is anyone on the Company side that is not going to along with USAPA's lunatic asylum. I just envision bunch of wacko's inhaling Nitrous Oxide walking around laughing, gleefully slapping each other's backs. Delusional!!

Sending the thugs to collect the pizzo. Scumbags. What fine characters Streble and Mahlman are... Be sure to thank these upstanding gentlemen for all their hard work after USAPA is resigned to the septic tank of history.

They are crooks.

There has to be a point that the company will not fire people over what could or most likely is fraudulent billing practices.

Once USAPA is decertified, they will no longer have the right to get you FIRED for dues in arrears, but they can attempt to take you to small claims court for the amount.

As the curtain draws to a close on these scumbag mother&*(^ers I expect we'll see all sorts of egregious behavior coming out of Charlotte. Cornered animal analogy, and all that...

Yes....Judge Silver knows USAPA are scumbags and the company are weasels but she has always been spooked about how the 9th would view all of this.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Yes, if the West pilot had more seniority in the same equipment and status.
 
The most LOS friendly arbitration said that equipment and status is twice as important as LOS. 

We all know your stance and you are entitled to your opinion. Just to be clear, since you didn't quote my whole post, that was an American pilot's response and feeling about the Nic.

 

[Pi brat]

That emergency hotline is ringing off the shelf. Anybody seen Streble?

Here's some comments from some very dissatisfied customers................

I have still not received a bill (paper or otherwise) from these knuckle draggers since going off DCO back in November. Are the rest of you Yes....she knows USAPA are scumbags and the company are weasels but she has always been spooked about how the 9th would view all of this. discontinued DCO getting monthly bills?

I'm pretty sure I'm done paying, so they and their corrupt billing practices can kiss my a$

Here, here.

We just we need to know if there is anyone on the Company side that is not going to along with USAPA's lunatic asylum. I just envision bunch of wacko's inhaling Nitrous Oxide walking around laughing, gleefully slapping each other's backs. Delusional!!

Sending the thugs to collect the pizzo. Scumbags. What fine characters Streble and Mahlman are... Be sure to thank these upstanding gentlemen for all their hard work after USAPA is resigned to the septic tank of history.

They are crooks.

There has to be a point that the company will not fire people over what could or most likely is fraudulent billing practices.

Once USAPA is decertified, they will no longer have the right to get you FIRED for dues in arrears, but they can attempt to take you to small claims court for the amount.

As the curtain draws to a close on these scumbag mother&*(^ers I expect we'll see all sorts of egregious behavior coming out of Charlotte. Cornered animal analogy, and all that...

Yes....Judge Silver knows USAPA are scumbags and the company are weasels but she has always been spooked about how the 9th would view all of this.

Aww...sure hope nobody gets fired.

 

[snapthis]

Hey Snappy. You like to quote from other boards. Here's one you missed from an AA guy:
 
"Dunno, but crazy patronizing, and not going to win friends or influence people.
There's GOT to be an answer. The West blames the East for not giving the Nic a big hug, but that's like hugging an Arizona cactus.
For the West guys - simple question... is it fair that a 2003 West pilot is placed ahead of a 1987 East pilot who has been flying continuously from that year?
If by some twisted magic an AA new hire was plugged into our seniority list sixteen years advanced, you'd have a mutiny."

I saw this on the same forum:

Quote:
Originally Posted by morecowbell
"Hey....scumbag. Its not that the west is pinning its hopes on the APA to negotiate in a way favorable to it, it's more that the west is hoping the APA has more integrity then the scab east pilots.

Maybe, just maybe the APA will recognize that final and binding arbitration, as well as a list the company accepted (the Nic) is the best way to proceed.

The west will gladly fund the APA, rather then that abortion of a union called usapa."

 

[snapthis]

Aww...sure hope nobody gets fired.

I agree.

Or prosecuted.

That would be tragic.


"I could go on and on about countering the unprofessional and potentially illegal activity which West pilots have been subjected to. The bottom line is I had the intestinal fortitude to be proactive in initiating Federal involvement by exercising my federally protected rights. I consider this to be my strongest point in this election. I also believe the present USAPA leadership plan is to use the six million of our dues money to conduct unprofessional mischief and frivolous legal filings in order to continue the quest for Date Of Hire after they are no longer our bargaining agent. This is illegal and I will take immediate actions to secure prosecutions."

David Schoppaul

Go get em Dave, you have my vote

 

[luvthe9]

That emergency hotline is ringing off the shelf. Anybody seen Streble?
Here's some comments from some very dissatisfied customers................
I have still not received a bill (paper or otherwise) from these knuckle draggers since going off DCO back in November. Are the rest of you Yes....she knows USAPA are scumbags and the company are weasels but she has always been spooked about how the 9th would view all of this. discontinued DCO getting monthly bills?
I'm pretty sure I'm done paying, so they and their corrupt billing practices can kiss my a$
Here, here.
We just we need to know if there is anyone on the Company side that is not going to along with USAPA's lunatic asylum. I just envision bunch of wacko's inhaling Nitrous Oxide walking around laughing, gleefully slapping each other's backs. Delusional!!
Sending the thugs to collect the pizzo. Scumbags. What fine characters Streble and Mahlman are... Be sure to thank these upstanding gentlemen for all their hard work after USAPA is resigned to the septic tank of history.
They are crooks.
There has to be a point that the company will not fire people over what could or most likely is fraudulent billing practices.
Once USAPA is decertified, they will no longer have the right to get you FIRED for dues in arrears, but they can attempt to take you to small claims court for the amount.
As the curtain draws to a close on these scumbag mother&*(^ers I expect we'll see all sorts of egregious behavior coming out of Charlotte. Cornered animal analogy, and all that...
Yes....Judge Silver knows USAPA are scumbags and the company are weasels but she has always been spooked about how the 9th would view all of this.

. You need to learn it's all over for you, accept the loss. These displays of hostility are not helping you, don't worry you be a captain some day.

 

[snapthis]

. You need to learn it's all over for you, accept the loss. These displays of hostility are not helping you, don't worry you be a captain some day.

You sound a lot like Tokyo Rose and Baghdad Bob.

 

[traderjake]

Aww...sure hope nobody gets fired.

 
How many have gotten fired so far? 

 

[traderjake]

You sound a lot like Tokyo Rose and Baghdad Bob.

 
He can't help himself, he has to beg you to quit fighting. 😀

 

[snapthis]

He can't help himself, he has to beg you to quit fighting. 😀

Baghdad Bob and Luv came up with some knee slappers

'We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

"Surrender or be burned in their tanks."

"No I am not scared and neither should you be!"

"We have them surrounded in their tanks"

And my favorite....

"When we were making the law, when we were writing the literature and the mathematics the grandfarthers of Blair and little Bush were scratching around in caves."

Yep, they were the smart ones. Sounds like an Usapian