2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

Tried it and it worked....
Cheers.

 
Thank you.

 

[Res Judicata]

APA had leverage and resolve.
 
USAPA had no leverage therefore resolve is irrelavant. 
 
It takes both.
 
You think you know more and should ignore the advice of the legal and financial advisors we hired.
 
Sounds like you didn't learn anything from the LOA 93 negoitions.

So resolve alone doesn't get ones list of demands met? Any particular situation come to mind to prove your theory? What about USA Today ads? Is that good enough? Is THAT leverage? That's the same as being a UCC member recognized by Federal bankruptcy laws isn't it? Why didn't Hummer and Scabford just place an ad demanding 100k plus taxes?

Place an ad demanding every law be malleable to whims and desires of a bunch of disgruntled, aged scabs while you're at it...or just keep on suing until one hears what he wants.

Why are dues 150% higher than the APA when the APA delivers real money, and USTUPID delivers embarrassment?

 

[nevergiveup]

So resolve alone doesn't get ones list of demands met? Any particular situation come to mind to prove your theory? What about USA Today ads? Is that good enough? Is THAT leverage? That's the same as being a UCC member recognized by Federal bankruptcy laws isn't it? Why didn't Hummer and Scabford just place an ad demanding 100k plus taxes?

Place an ad demanding every law be malleable to whims and desires of a bunch of disgruntled, aged scabs while you're at it...or just keep on suing until one hears what he wants.

Why are dues 150% higher than the APA when the APA delivers real money, and USTUPID delivers embarrassment?

You do realize that USAPA has a short life span. Cry no more! 

 

[fatherabraham]

Yes x 3

SB vote might possibly get changed.

No way on GH change of vote.

I simply do not trust that GH will put the majority wishes above his own agenda .

The yes recall letters did a far better job of proving their points w/o the cowardly vote joe character assassinations.

FA

 

[Res Judicata]

I didn't write it. Just want to ensure it gets read by the Idiot Majority.


Deal Alleged USAPA Leadership:

USAPA's brilliant founding fathers should've planned for the contingency of such a recall, instead of focusing all efforts on date-of-hire, date-of-hire, date-of-hire. As Holly Hegemen of planebusiness.com said, USAPA is full of "Real Men of Genius."

The reality is, USAPA has always been in uncharted territory. Mr. Bradford, you are responsible in largest part for taking (not leading), this pilot group into such uncharted territory. Not having any contingency plans for such a recall (or achieving DOH), has been completely irresponsible of you. You've been too arrogant to ever consider any Plan B's. You've been too arrogant to think you need the West to achieve any of your goals. You've destroyed thousands of careers just to fulfill your own fantasy. You imagine yourself a warrior, when you are actually a fool. Think Mussolini.

USAPA came into this world born of anger and obsession, and it sure looks like USAPA's going to go out of this world even angrier, and more obsessed. None of you have accomplished a thing except to have your fifteen minutes of infamy. I hope such attention has satisfied your egos, because you haven't accomplished anything for the pilot group other than to propagate USAPA's political freak show by trying to advance your own personal agendas.

USAPA cannot be gone soon enough, but as West pilots whom you have not solicited for your support (because you think they are beneath you), all we can do is sit back and watch you attack each other... but we will vote. The West will look down upon you, into the arena, and decide which of you will get our thumbs up, and which will get our thumbs down. The "minority" West will control your destiny.

Keep up the good fight.

 

[Graceson]

 
APA had leverage and resolve.
 
USAPA had no leverage therefore resolve is irrelavant. 
 
It takes both.
 
You think you know more and should ignore the advice of the legal and financial advisors we hired.
 
Sounds like you didn't learn anything from the LOA 93 negoitions.

A union has more leverage than independents. We probably agree. The question is not if but how much leverage and at what risk to test it with resolve.

Any good adviser will always give optimum recommendations based on an individual or group's stated or inferred fear of risk. They did their job well based on a tepid tolerance by leadership. To go on record to the contrary would result in an adviser's dismissal or worse.

Some perhaps, on the other hand, measured the risk of a group who had nothing left to lose, pegged at the absolute bottom of an industry scale by any standard and within any class or category. With this measure, they perhaps reasoned that there is indeed lesser risk in bargaining with a counterproposal for the potential of a greater gain.

The end result was that a tepid leadership discovered the underlying leverage of membership consensus, board consensus, and the laundry list of stipulations management demanded in return.

So leverage is anything anyone else wants, no matter how it manifests itself -- tangible or intangible. The question is what was the true value of this tangible or intangible leverage. The question is how far south of something reasonable has been lost by this aversion to risk, accompanied by a lack of resolve to test the measure of leverage we now know existed...

Going forward, leverage is irreparably diminished by a tepid leadership who tangibly demonstrates indifference for transparency, membership sentiment and/or critical consensus on well stated objectives and alternatives, and an indifference to board and committee alienation -- denying critical input during serious phases of discussion.

A vote for Hummel was once a vote for all of the above. He's a quality individual but a poor executive administrator. While he has an impressive array of assets to work with, he demonstrates indifference to team concepts. His profile for administration demonstrates none of the qualities and standards of team play that Parker would tolerate within his inner circle of senior leadership. He would do what APA was compelled to do... remove the liability.

 

[traderjake]

The end result was that a tepid leadership discovered the underlying leverage of membership consensus, board consensus, and the laundry list of stipulations management demanded in return.
 
So leverage is anything anyone else wants, no matter how it manifests itself -- tangible or intangible. The question is what was the true value of this tangible or intangible leverage.

 
Leverage is having something someone else needs and is not intangible.
 
Your mixing resolve and leverage and then blaming tepid leadership for not using leverage we didn't have.

 

[Graceson]

 
Leverage is having something someone else needs and is not intangible.
 
Your mixing resolve and leverage and then blaming tepid leadership for not using leverage we didn't have.

So by that reasoning, Management sweetened the deal with USAPA in return for nothing of value the Union might offer in trade.

It's not always what's tangibly yours. Parker leveraged a deal by securing consensus with American labor groups, to be paid by American dollars.

Management admitted it learned from its mistakes. It used strategy to manufacture leverage where none existed, and where few in the know believed Parker could pull it off.

But you say resolve doesn't exist without leverage. The above is proof that leverage was forged as a product of resolve. I fear that there are abstracts to the art which go far beyond the superficial.

But with respect to learning from past failure and forging leverage through alliances, consensus, communication and resolve... USAPA's leadership alienates its board while forging a consensus with... Management.

That's indeed a new business abstract others will surely study in retrospect.

 

[luvthe9]

Yesterday you received the 25th piece of campaign material from Team Hummel, this one from former Gary Hummel roommate Captain Ed Campbell. Please don’t let the irony of Captain Campbell’s words escape you, “I know to challenge the creditability of this crowd is to invite personal attacks…”, as he goes on to personally attack yet another recall supporter. 25 letters from Team Hummel -- all with a theme of personal attacks, assaults on credibility, pure lies, and fear mongering -- but Captain Campbell wants you to believe that such things are offensive to him.

As Team Hummel continues to politically smear anybody supporting the recall as their main defense, please remember these numbers: 14 of 17 current and former BPR members who have served while Gary Hummel has been President are urging you to recall him before he does more harm. They are telling you that he cannot be trusted. As badly as Team Hummel wants you to believe that the impetus for this action is all personal and political, it’s not; this recall is simply about the vast majority of the USAPA Board – 9 Representatives who you elected and who are supposed to be governing the Association -- losing faith in our President, and finally deciding that removing him is our best option for success.

The voting window closes in 4 days. Do not let the chance to make room for an honest and strong pilot advocate pass you by. Please VOTE YES TO RECALL.

You can vote or change your vote by visiting https://www.BallotPoint.com/USAPA

 

[snapthis]

You can vote or change your vote by visiting https://www.BallotPoint.com/USAPA

 
You are correct. The votes can be changed. What difference does it make? They are all dysfuctional Usapians. The APA, the company and the West is laughing at you.

 
While y'all are distracted with this petty recall, the West will move forward with the negotiations.

 
We are only interested seeing the fireworks.

 

[Phoenix]

....
While y'all are distracted with this petty recall, the West will move forward with the negotiations.

Hummel has no objection to that.... And once again you announce your "integrity" has limits.

 

[snapthis]

Hummel has no objection to that.... And once again you announce your "integrity" has limits.

Yea and since USAPA has found itself in court because of it's lack of integrity to represent West pilot as it claims, I don't think we need USAPA's help. Remember the important "union" business like the recall.

USAPA................
"Serious men doing serious work"

 

[PullUp]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the clock is ticking on the negotiated seniority settlement opportunity.
Let's get the political theater powerplay over with and get down to what affects the future of the pilots here.
I can't wait until the 9th so my inbox won't be overflowing with venomous rhetoric anymore.

 

[Res Judicata]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the clock is ticking on the negotiated seniority settlement opportunity.
Let's get the political theater powerplay over with and get down to what affects the future of the pilots here.
I can't wait until the 9th so my inbox won't be overflowing with venomous rhetoric anymore.

It's been going on since the day the fake union was birthed. Do you really think January 10th is going to bring anything but more frenetic dysfunction? Magically, USTUPID is going to get it's sh*t together? Never happen. It's going to be madness until the final implosion. Inept idiots destroying careers. It's so obvious at this point I doubt anybody needs me to point this fact out any more.

 

[Claxon]

It's been going on since the day the fake union was birthed. Do you really think January 10th is going to bring anything but more frenetic dysfunction? Magically, USTUPID is going to get it's sh*t together? Never happen. It's going to be madness until the final implosion. Inept idiots destroying careers. It's so obvious at this point I doubt anybody needs me to point this fact out any more.

The FACT you repeatedly point out is 1- the FBI was dead on when they deep sixed your app.
2- you are an idiot
3- you work with the largest collection of scabs of AA or Real U pilots. Your america west group was founded by scab pilots.