2014 Pilot Discussion

[dca319]

I would bet the if that's the case the APA would put all the westies at the bottom of the list to lessen the damage to their own pilots, not to mention they had no career expectations, bring nothing to the merge and were on the verge of liquidation. Not a good time to be a westie.

I would suspect also that you're the same idiot who told everyone Kasher would pay so STFU.  You're a nuisance and what you post is exactly the opposite of what happens.

 

[dca319]

The 330 is coming to PHX!  Flt-746 daily red-eye from CLT, starts 5 MAR . Sign-up early for the opportunity to drop by for a sniff!  You guys are getting closer to the 330 all the time.  Enjoy!
 
 
seajay

We'll make sure to warn the west pilots to watch their tails.  Our 330 pilots have a habit of using the winglets as weapons.

 

[dca319]

I agree but no more than 2 minutes per sniffer

You guys going to let them have the paint chips they leave on 26 from all the tail strikes?

 

[Phoenix]

You guys going to let them have the paint chips they leave on 26 from all the tail strikes?

Whatever consoles ya, Boo!

 

[A320 Driver]

We'll make sure to warn the west pilots to watch their tails.  Our 330 pilots have a habit of using the winglets as weapons.

Seriously???
Happened once to one of the finest men I have ever known. Proof that it could happen to anyone.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Whatever consoles ya, Boo!

Soon DCA 319 days spent soiling the East list, by technicality, will be erased expunging him back to the West. Relegated to the bottom - where he belongs.

To be replaced by a new hire on the DCA block holder's list.

 

[cltrat]

We'll make sure to warn the west pilots to watch their tails.  Our 330 pilots have a habit of using the winglets as weapons.

lol why don't you just drop the charade, you're no more an east pilot than nic4us

 

[Pi brat]

I would suspect also that you're the same idiot who told everyone Kasher would pay so STFU.  You're a nuisance and what you post is exactly the opposite of what happens.

Pressure is getting to you isn't it? How's life out there junior?

 

[luvthe9]

I would suspect also that you're the same idiot who told everyone Kasher would pay so STFU.  You're a nuisance and what you post is exactly the opposite of what happens.

Pipe down Move it's over for you snot nose westies. Seniority is earned, remember that boy. Driver and myself struck a nerve?

 

[Metroyet]

I would bet the if that's the case the APA would put all the westies at the bottom of the list to lessen the damage to their own pilots, not to mention they had no career expectations, bring nothing to the merge and were on the verge of liquidation. Not a good time to be a westie.

Perhaps you've lied to yourself so many times that you now actually believe this? Don't worry. Every single entity knows exactly what USAPA is/WAS and where the East pilots would have been had AWA not rescued you. Here's an interesting read:
 
Still think there's going to be a protocol agreement?
 
Excerpt from Exhibit D; APA SIC Proposal:

SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROTOCOL AGREEMENT


WHEREAS, in implementation of the agreements made in the MOU, the following protocols are established.

3. Within ___ days of the execution of this Protocol Agreement, the
Merger Committees shall compile, verify, certify and exchange (in electronic
Excel format whenever possible) employment data for each pilot on their
respective pre-merger seniority lists, as follows.

a. The information certified and exchanged will include the
following information:

(3) The identification, with an appropriate designator on
the seniority list, of any pilot whose placement on the
pre-merger list was determined by a prior seniority
integration agreement or award. Provide each such
pilot's dates of employment at predecessor airlines,
subject to previous seniority integrations (e.g., TWA,
Reno, Air Cal, TCA, America West, Piedmont,
USAirways Shuttle, PSA, Empire).
 
 
The APA wants the Nic in hand. Perhaps the next arbitration panel won't be "senile" and see your staple job attempt as righteous and deserved...or perhaps they'll just take the East and West list and feather one for one eliminating the 519 whose WB protection has already been used.
 
Someday the enormity of the USAPA mistake will dawn upon you.

 

[Pi brat]

Perhaps you've lied to yourself so many times that you now actually believe this? Don't worry. Every single entity knows exactly what USAPA is/WAS and where the East pilots would have been had AWA not rescued you. Here's an interesting read:
 
Still think there's going to be a protocol agreement?
 
Excerpt from Exhibit D; APA SIC Proposal:

SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROTOCOL AGREEMENT


WHEREAS, in implementation of the agreements made in the MOU, the following protocols are established.

3. Within ___ days of the execution of this Protocol Agreement, the
Merger Committees shall compile, verify, certify and exchange (in electronic
Excel format whenever possible) employment data for each pilot on their
respective pre-merger seniority lists, as follows.

a. The information certified and exchanged will include the
following information:

(3) The identification, with an appropriate designator on
the seniority list, of any pilot whose placement on the
pre-merger list was determined by a prior seniority
integration agreement or award. Provide each such
pilot's dates of employment at predecessor airlines,
subject to previous seniority integrations (e.g., TWA,
Reno, Air Cal, TCA, America West, Piedmont,
USAirways Shuttle, PSA, Empire).
 
 
The APA wants the Nic in hand. Perhaps the next arbitration panel won't be "senile" and see your staple job attempt as righteous and deserved...or perhaps they'll just take the East and West list and feather one for one eliminating the 519 whose WB protection has already been used.
 
Someday the enormity of the USAPA mistake will dawn upon you.

Umm, I hate to rain on your parade, I really do. But I think your preconceived notions are bumping into one another.
 
Could that be because if the company and the APA get their way then you will present your list(along with your fleet and your position on it, right?) and you haven't had any mergers reflected in your list. USAPA will present our list and which airline we were integrated from. So everyone on your list(the one in effect) would have AWA beside it, while ours would have US,PI,PS,Trump and Emprie.
 
Have you guys really, really thought out this whole separate merger committee thing?

 

[nycbusdriver]

We'll make sure to warn the west pilots to watch their tails.  Our 330 pilots have a habit of using the winglets as weapons.

 
Missed that one.  Please refresh my memory.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Missed that one.  Please refresh my memory.

A while back, a year or two I believe, we had a 330 clip the rudder of a west little bus in CLT. I never flew with the 330 captain, but have never heard a bad word about him.
 
It's a sure tell that the westies are getting tense when the start talking about safety, tail strikes etc.

 

[Piedmont1984]

What happens if a Protocal Agreement is not reached? Another delay? Now we're bumping into the other MOU timeline which stipulates that an arbitration panel must be selected if no negotiated settlement is reached by POR+90 days. That would be about Mar 10. Does anyone expect a single carrier determination by then?

That last question is rhetorical.

 

[Metroyet]

Umm, I hate to rain on your parade, I really do. But I think your preconceived notions are bumping into one another.
 
Could that be because if the company and the APA get their way then you will present your list(along with your fleet and your position on it, right?) and you haven't had any mergers reflected in your list. USAPA will present our list and which airline we were integrated from. So everyone on your list(the one in effect) would have AWA beside it, while ours would have US,PI,PS,Trump and Emprie.
 
Have you guys really, really thought out this whole separate merger committee thing?

I know that USAPA has never, and will never fairly represent the West pilots. Silver flatly stated that in her ruling as well, right after she called out your attorney on ethics violations. I know a Jury found USAPA guilty of DFR and there are numerous statments made over the years by various other Federal Judges that USAPA is basically a piriah. So to answer your question, Yes. I'm sure the West has thought out long and hard whether or not they want to represent themselves in front of an Arbitration panel as opposed to a fake union that not only will not fairly represent them, but has gone to the ends of the Earth, to inflict as much damage as possible upon the minority group. If You had it your way, PHX would have been closed and every single employee of the former America West would be unemployed. Scorched Earth. Bitter hatred. Sure...the West wants you to represent their interests.
 
I don't think there is going to be an agreed upon protocol. APA wants a 3 way with the Nic. admitted into evidence.  You guys are scared to death of that because you can't control the minority group and you lose total control of the message that gets delivered to the Arbitration panel, (as if they don't know about the Nic.).
 
AS usual, if USAPA was so convinced of the fairness of their "proposals" they wouldn't hesitate to allow a neutral 3rd party to arbitrate it. It's the very last place on Earth USAPA will go to willingly and says it all regarding how "fair" the East plans on being with the West and how 'fair" they actually believe DOH to be. 
 
USAPA has never fooled anyone...which is why Silver decapitated your fake union.