2014 Pilot Discussion

[Zone5]

The 330 is coming to PHX!  Flt-746 daily red-eye from CLT, starts 5 MAR . Sign-up early for the opportunity to drop by for a sniff!  You guys are getting closer to the 330 all the time.  Enjoy!
 
 
seajay

 

[nic4us]

Judge Silver had no intent to alter the MOU and the company and the APA don't intend to be in breach of contract.

Where in the MOU does it allow the SCAB union to represent pilots it no longer has the legal authority to represent.

I will tell you. It ain't in there. as a matter of fact, the MOU is clear in it calls for MB to be followed. The way I figure it, uscaba has about 6 weeks or less to reach an agreement with APA, otherwise it is lights out on Woodlawn.


Oh, and MB is clear in that it is not allowed to be used retroactively for mergers prior to it's enactment.


So, We have come full circle, and it will be the Nic and the AMR list integrated for the new list at AAL.

Here is the irony.......just as predicted by the lawyers at Wye River!

 

[nic4us]

Got it. How does all this happen if the company's motion is granted?

The company's motion is to strike a footnote from the ruling correct?

How does that stop the NMB from doing a single carrier status determination?


Oh, one more thing. The SCAB posters on this board seem to make a big deal out of what is dicta (non-controlling) and what is the ruling.

So, ask yourself this, isn't this footnote just "dicta"? You know, doesn't mean anything anyway?

once decertified " usapa must immediately remove itself from the integration process".

Bye bye SCAB union, the judge ordered your demise.

 

[nic4us]

The 330 is coming to PHX!  Flt-746 daily red-eye from CLT, starts 5 MAR . Sign-up early for the opportunity to drop by for a sniff!  You guys are getting closer to the 330 all the time.  Enjoy!
 
 
seajay

Try not to hit any wingtips or damage anything else while you are here.

 

[traderjake]

Trader can't wait, that's for sure!

 
It's 5 years, 50 vacation days, and $100,000 too late.

 

[luvthe9]

The 330 is coming to PHX!  Flt-746 daily red-eye from CLT, starts 5 MAR . Sign-up early for the opportunity to drop by for a sniff!  You guys are getting closer to the 330 all the time.  Enjoy!
 
 
seajay

. I say first sniff goes to precihill!!

 

[Freighterguynow]

Waiting for the inevitable day when the west pilots start to move in and the east pilot works every Christmas and weekend for the rest of their careers.  Congrats.

Congrats indeed for the East.

West keep waiting and waiting.

Oh, damages - don't forget the damages!

 

[Pi brat]

 
It's 5 years, 50 vacation days, and $100,000 too late.

You should have upgraded. You would agree that separate ops was always an option under the TA, right? So, one side exercised it's option. sorry.

 

[Phoenix]

Congrats indeed for the East.
West keep waiting and waiting.
Oh, damages - don't forget the damages!

Damages!

Oh, stop.

 

[Pi brat]

The company's motion is to strike a footnote from the ruling correct?

How does that stop the NMB from doing a single carrier status determination?


Oh, one more thing. The SCAB posters on this board seem to make a big deal out of what is dicta (non-controlling) and what is the ruling.

So, ask yourself this, isn't this footnote just "dicta"? You know, doesn't mean anything anyway?

once decertified " usapa must immediately remove itself from the integration process".

Bye bye SCAB union, the judge ordered your demise.

I guess the company is worried that the west will take the dicta and sue again. Good odds.
 
Have you read document 300?
 
"Indeed, the text of the MOU allows for such a procedure. See MOU ¶ 10(f) (“The
company(ies) shall provide information requested by the merger representatives for use
in the arbitration . . . .”); ¶ 7 (“New American Airlines and US Airways shall reimburse
the merger representatives involved in the seniority integration process in an aggregate
not to exceed $4 million.”) (all emphasis added)."
 
 
 
 
"f. A Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement ("Protocol Agreement") consistent with
McCaskill-Bond and this Paragraph 10 will be agreed upon within 30 days of the Effective Date. The
Protocol Agreement will set forth the process and protocol for conducting negotiations and arbitration,
if applicable, and will include a methodology for allocating the reimbursement provided for in
Paragraph 7. The company(ies) will be parties to the arbitration, if any, in accordance with McCaskill-
Bond. The company(ies) shall provide information requested by the merger representatives for use in
the arbitration, if any, in accordance with requirements of McCaskill-Bond, provided that the
information is relevant to the issues involved in the arbitration, and the requests are reasonable and
do not impose undue burden or expense, and so long as the merger representatives agree to
appropriate confidentiality terms."
 
Notice that it doesn't say CBAs.
 
Looks to me like the company wants east, west and APA merger committees. But will this open the door to more? If the west can argue for a SLI that was "abandoned" by the MOU(YOUR WORDS), then what about the Empire pilots? How about the TWA pilots? How about the intrepid, downtrodden traderjake?

 

[Beancounter]

So I just read the latest USAPA update titled, "legal postings," and I didn't see any mention of the protocol talks. Isn't tomorrow the deadline? Does anyone know if they are working on it this weekend or are we just waiting for the clock to run out?

I saw someone posted about the A330 coming to PHX. Beautiful airplane, but I'm afraid I dream of 737-800s. I just really enjoyed flying the 737-300 and 200.

Have a good weekend, both east and west. I've got to get ready to check out. Wife had a coaches conference and I'm at a hotel overlooking SeaTac. Can't believe all the Delta tails I see, Counting 4 Delta and only one Alaska. I hope in the future American has a bigger west coast presence to counter Delta and United.

Bean

 

[cltrat]

. I say first sniff goes to precihill!!

I agree but no more than 2 minutes per sniffer

 

[A320 Driver]

Once APA comes on property, that becomes moot and the APA is free to set up the SLI as they wish.  She made that very clear.

That's what you are hoping, but that isn't what's going to happen. That would fly directly in the face of M-B and it's purpose. That sort of behavior by APA is what got that law on the books to start with. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[luvthe9]

Once APA comes on property, that becomes moot and the APA is free to set up the SLI as they wish.  She made that very clear.

I would bet the if that's the case the APA would put all the westies at the bottom of the list to lessen the damage to their own pilots, not to mention they had no career expectations, bring nothing to the merge and were on the verge of liquidation. Not a good time to be a westie.

 

[dca319]

That's what you are hoping, but that isn't what's going to happen. That would fly directly in the face of M-B and it's purpose. That sort of behavior by APA is what got that law on the books to start with. Why is that so hard to understand?

Not hoping for, but that's what is going to happen.  If you ask the MC about APA's first-out-of-the-gate, you'll be told that they requested three parties at the table to represent the pilots: APA, east, and west.  USAPA countered with two.  We haven't heard back and I doubt we will.