2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

You spent millions to tee that one up for the APA.

Replacing a union with USAPA is a silver platter for the APA.

 

[Freighterguynow]

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I can't hear you over that Tombstone wind !

 

[Claxon]

Replacing a union with USAPA is a silver platter for the APA.

apa, the pilots that brought you the b scale.  apa, the pilots that brought you the air cal, reno, twa, sli list.  apa, has just run in to the proverbial brick wall.  

 

[Claxon]

apa pilots are attempting to steal the USAPA playbook in NMB  filings.  The error in their ways is the McCaskill-Bond Amendment factor,  which they facilitated. 
 
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2008/35n020.pdf

 

[Claxon]

 
"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect."

apa pilots. going in to real arbitration with, the apa, american airlines pilots necessitated McCaskill-Bond Amendment, will be terribly unforgiving of your previous acts.
 
You are on probation so to speak, the next attempt to change your ways american pilots, will have punitive results for you.

 

[Claxon]

apa pilots, taking on the world without a stapler in seniority list integrations, best of luck to you. Jeff Fruend by the way is representing america west pilots.
 
 
http://vimeo.com/user13985327/review/73752912/c4eb65ac45

 

[Mach85ER]

apa, the pilots that brought you the b scale.  apa, the pilots that brought you the air cal, reno, twa, sli list.  apa, has just run in to the proverbial brick wall.  

 
 
AirCal was a relative merge. AA quit flying it's routes. APA pilots didn't forget the seniority effects.
 
Reno started sometime after 1992, most if not all of their pilots were junior to AA furloughees, and some of their flying was directly replacing AA routes with some BS business relationship with AA. AA also quit flying it's routes.
 
TWA (unfortunately for them ) came after AirCal and Reno. APA had deep concern that AA would do the same thing again. Much of the flying was immediately drawn down. SJU mini hub, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Riyadh, STL 717/S80 regional flying went to Eagle/Trans States. Today, their remaining system is essentially non-existent.
 
I don't pretend to know the legal aspects happening now or expect you to bow and kneel to APA, but try to back down your idiotic, completely ignorant hysterics like the above statements.
 
PS. What exactly would you have done with Reno and TWA?

 

[Claxon]

AirCal was a relative merge. AA quit flying it's routes. APA pilots didn't forget the seniority effects.
 
Reno started sometime after 1992, most if not all of their pilots were junior to AA furloughees, and some of their flying was directly replacing AA routes with some BS business relationship with AA. AA also quit flying it's routes.
 
TWA (unfortunately for them ) came after AirCal and Reno. APA had deep concern that AA would do the same thing again. Much of the flying was immediately drawn down. SJU mini hub, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Riyadh, STL 717/S80 regional flying went to Eagle/Trans States. Today, their remaining system is essentially non-existent.
 
I don't pretend to know the legal aspects happening now or expect you to bow and kneel to APA, but try to back down your idiotic, completely ignorant hysterics like the above statements.
 
PS. What exactly would you have done with Reno and TWA?

That does not matter now, what is fair going forward? How about a 6 yr fence for all your entity?
You will reap most of the east list retiring, then enjoy your attrition. DOH or LOS. Fair treatment for furloughed.
You get to avoid arbitration, according to Uncle Crandall a very wise move.

 

[Black Swan]

AirCal was a relative merge. AA quit flying it's routes. APA pilots didn't forget the seniority effects.
 
Reno started sometime after 1992, most if not all of their pilots were junior to AA furloughees, and some of their flying was directly replacing AA routes with some BS business relationship with AA. AA also quit flying it's routes.
 
TWA (unfortunately for them ) came after AirCal and Reno. APA had deep concern that AA would do the same thing again. Much of the flying was immediately drawn down. SJU mini hub, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Riyadh, STL 717/S80 regional flying went to Eagle/Trans States. Today, their remaining system is essentially non-existent.
 
I don't pretend to know the legal aspects happening now or expect you to bow and kneel to APA, but try to back down your idiotic, completely ignorant hysterics like the above statements.
 
PS. What exactly would you have done with Reno and TWA?

85ER,
Greetings. Hope you are aware of the East pilots age. You should consider it. Lots leaving.
Are your leaders even considering arbitration? If you are, you're crazy. Look what happened to us. It could, be you. And you should get educated on the Nic. It would crush you guys. Consider when it was rendered, 2007. It has been successfully thwarted by the East, as the West was warned. They were informed by ALPA of the fact a change in bargaining reps would kill it. Killed it was. Affirmed by the Ninth.
I for one, want none of your stuff. Most of us want to finish out with what we have.
If you guys do strong arm us, I am sure our group will hardball back. Going to arbitration using the bill you guys have attached to your resume. Right or wrong, you own it. Take your chances. The Wilders have been hired. They authored it.
I have nothing but respect for you guys. Hope we can work it out. Good fences make good neighbors.

 

[traderjake]

85ER,
Greetings. Hope you are aware of the East pilots age. You should consider it. Lots leaving.
Are your leaders even considering arbitration? If you are, you're crazy. Look what happened to us. It could, be you.

 
APA is going our NB pilots at the top of the list so they can watch us leave?
 
Slotting by equipment and status keeps APA pilots at the top of the list now.

 

[traderjake]

And you should get educated on the Nic. It would crush you guys.

 
What a stupid thing to say.
 
They don't care about the internal order of our seniority list.

 

[Piedmont1984]

What a stupid thing to say.
 
They don't care about the internal order of our seniority list.

They should. A DOH list 'evaporates' from the top and this group is like a block of dry ice. A Nic list will place many younger west pilots ahead of their own for a long time.

 

[traderjake]

They should. A DOH list 'evaporates' from the top and this group is like a block of dry ice. A Nic list will place many younger west pilots ahead of their own for a long time.

 
 
They are not going to argue LOS for the East West list and then turn around and argue equipment and status for the USAirways American list.
 
The second combination is more important than the first.
 
Unlike USAPA, they realize situational ethics won't fly. 
 
Trust me on this one, they are not going to put our NB pilots ahead of their WB pilots so they can watch us leave.

 

[fatherabraham]

What a stupid thing to say.
 
They don't care about the internal order of our seniority list.

No traitor... It's you who is stupid!

BS made a statement that was an opinion...nothing more.

YOU however had the audacity to SPEAK for all of APA in your second sentence.

Ironic you calling anyone stupid.

FA

 

[traderjake]

No traitor... It's you who is stupid!

BS made a statement that was an opinion...nothing more.

YOU however had the audacity to SPEAK for all of APA in your second sentence.

Ironic you calling anyone stupid.
 

 
That was told to me by a member of the APA Scope Committee. 
 
We'll find out who's stupid.