2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Westies are tired of answering for the actions of malcontents out East.

I'm tired of apologizing for east pilot's douche behavior. I just tell them I'm west and they're welcome anytime.

Captain's immature actions .........takes one to know one.

 
None should ever abuse the jumpseat privelege as some have, and doing so's an affront to the very profession. Now then; since that was such wonderfully self-righteous babble, as always snapthis...umm...would any "spartan" now care to apologize for the west "pilot's douche behavior" who, while I was literally still shaking hands with him, denied me a jumpseat years back, purely due to where I was based/going home to? How about you now doing so snap? Properly apologize for that captain's "immature actions", and "douche behavior"...? C'mon now. Better late than never...? 😉
 
P.S. "Sounds like a new bag tag" I'm AWA pilot, NOT A EASTIE"  Have fun with those. I've no doubt the entire aviation world will bow down to "you'se" in proper AWEA. 🙂 The only possible questions are whether or not they could be sold for over $600 apiece, and if matching T-shirts should be printed to accompany them for formal ensemble wear.

 

[Phoenix]

I'll say it again.

Dismissed with prejudice.
 

 
 
"When I was a young boy my mother told me that if I ever got caught in a lie, I would have to keep telling lies, until I told the truth." ~~Yoggi Bear

 

[snapthis]

"When I was a young boy my mother told me that if I ever got caught in a lie, I would have to keep telling lies, until I told the truth." ~~Yoggi Bear

Are you saying David Braid, Cactus 18 defendant was not telling the truth?

Dismissed with Prejudice

U-stupid is trying to spin a win. Everyone else knows the 4th said it was a loss. That's right up there with their interpretation of binding arbitration.

I hope AA pilots are paying attention to this thread.

We are dealing with pinheads.

Case: 08-1858 Document: 77 Date Filed: 07/30/2010 Page: 12
|2 US AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION v. AWAPPA
It is no surprise, then, that the conduct USAPA alleges
closely resembles conduct we have found not to demonstrate
continuity after H.J. Inc. See, e.g., GElnv. Partners, 247 F.3d
at 549 (finding no continuity where the defendants' "single
goal" was to fraudulently inflate the value of and then sell
their controlling interest in a company); Menasco, 886 F.2d at
684 (finding no continuity where "[defendants' actions were
narrowly directed towards a single . . . goal," "involved but
one set of victims," and took place over a relatively short
period of time).
Because the appropriate "commonsensical, fact-specific"
examination of the allegations in USAPA's complaint fails to
yield a pattern of racketeering activity, USAPA has failed to
state a cognizable RICO claim. See Menasco, 886 F.2d at 684.
Accordingly, the district court did not err in granting the
defendants' motion to dismiss the complaint.
IV.
We can quickly dispose of USAPA's remaining
contentionsthat the district court erred in denying it leave
to amend its complaint and in refusing to grant it injunctive
relief.
"We review the district court's denial of leave to amend the
complaint for an abuse of discretion." GE Inv. Partners, 247
F.3d at 548. The district court does not abuse its discretion in
denying leave when "amendment would be futile." Id. Having
reviewed the proposed amendments, we conclude that they
would have no impact on the outcome of the motion to dismiss.
Thus, the district court d$ not abuse its discretion.
We also review the grant or denial of injunctive relief for
an abuse of discretion. See Muffley ex rel. NLRB v. Spartan
Mining Co., 570 F.3d 534, 543 (4th Cir. 2009). Because
USAPA's complaint failed to state a claim upon which relief
could be granted, the district court did not err in denying USAPA's
request for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction.

 

[EastUS1]

Are you saying David Braid, Cactus 18 defendant was not telling the truth?

Dismissed with Prejudice
 

 
He was a defendant. Who cares what he said? The issue at question is whether or not court documents support what you say....? Surely, you can easily find something showing some/any directly implied court condemnation of the brought proceedings containing "Dismissed with Prejudice"?
 
One can however, quickly find where the court noted the issues could be properly pursued at a local court level, and thus, no presumptive assignment of clean hands on the defendants' part is evidenced anywhere. "USAPA has failed to state a cognizable RICO claim" hardly serves as any exoneration.
 
Per your: "I hope AA pilots are paying attention to this thread.  We are dealing with pinheads." I must agree there, and can only suggest that you be careful what you wish for. Drawing extra attention to the feces and rock mailing, phone line jamming "heros" among your elite little group of self-styled "spartan soldiers" might, just possibly, fail to fully serve your interests as well as you foolishly imagine.

 

[snapthis]

 
He was a defendant. Who cares what he said? The issue at question is whether or not court documents support what you say....? Surely, you can easily find something showing some/any directly implied court condemnation of the brought proceedings containing "Dismissed with Prejudice"?
 
One can however, quickly find where the court noted the issues could be properly pursued at a local court level, and thus, no presumptive assignment of clean hands on the defendants' part is evidenced anywhere. "USAPA has failed to state a cognizable RICO claim" hardly serves as any exoneration.
 
Per your: "I hope AA pilots are paying attention to this thread.  We are dealing with pinheads." I agree, and only suggest that you be careful what you wish for.

 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look up.
 
BTW...tell me in the ruling I posted where it says USAPA won.

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adjective
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Synonyms: alienated, contrary, disaffected, estranged, factious, froward, haughty, inflexible, insubordinate, insurgent, intractable, intransigent, irreconcilable, mutinous, obdurate, perverse, pig-headed, rebellious, recalcitrant, refractory, seditious, stubborn, unyielding

 

[traderjake]

 I agree 100% with you East, take care of our junior guys. He is a true piece of scum to screw the guys he works with.

 
Did we agree to binding arbitration?
 
No honor among thieves.

 

[EastUS1]

 
BTW...tell me in the ruling I posted where it says USAPA won.

 
The court merely ruled the issues weren't worthy of full-blown RICO prosecution, but were instead, properly noted to be actionable at a lower level. While I beleived the intial actions by USAPA were a bit over-the-top, and included some not deserving of charges at all; perhaps some of your 18 should just be grateful the matter wasn't further pursued. Show us all where ANY stated, presumed or even hinted at exoneration ever happened...?

 

[snapthis]

The court merely ruled the issues weren't worthy of full-blown RICO prosecution, but were instead, properly noted to be actionable at a lower level. While I beleived the intial actions by USAPA were a bit over-the-top, and included some not deserving of charges at all; perhaps some of your 18 should just be grateful the matter wasn't further pursued. Show us all where ANY stated, presumed or even hinted at exoneration ever happened...?

"Because the appropriate "commonsensical, fact-specific"
examination of the allegations in USAPA's complaint fails to
yield a pattern of racketeering activity, USAPA has failed to
state a cognizable RICO claim"

It's called a dead end, barking up the wrong tree, in other words, groundless.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
Did we agree to binding arbitration?
 
No honor among thieves.

Had we been able to secure a contract that would have offset the hardships the Nic would have created, the Nic would be in place. Parker was simply not willing to pay that amount. Westies always forget that to have A, you must complete B. Read the agreements!

 

[electricjet98]

Now then; since that was such wonderfully self-righteous babble, as always snapthis...umm...would any "spartan" now care to apologize for the west "pilot's douche behavior" who, while I was literally still shaking hands with him, denied me a jumpseat years back, purely due to where I was based/going home to?

Maybe he recognized the name Michael Dale?

 

[traderjake]

Had we been able to secure a contract that would have offset the hardships the Nic would have created, the Nic would be in place.

 
USAPA was formed to renege on the arbitration.

 

[electricjet98]

Okay, let me put it this way, there is no DFR liability on the part of the arbitrators. When they issue a ISL, you can't sue them.

Night night.

C'mon KV, you're smarter than this...unless you are intentionally trying to obfuscate?

The arbitrators do not and are not representatives. Notice the "R" in "DFR"...it stand for "REPRESENT". As in the representatives on the Merger Committee and the union that is responsible for their actions.

So you're still hanging your hat on the hope that USAPA, Ol' Uncle Jess and the USAPA Merger Committee will be allowed to represent west pilots in arbitration...then quickly exit after the SLI is complete, leaving no one at the now extint USAPA to shoulder responsibility for any "mis-representation" during the arbitration? If USAPA is gone, who do you think should be held responsible for USAPA misdeeds?

 

[snapthis]

Maybe he recognized the name Michael Dale?

Yes I do.
 
I sometimes wonder if it's the same guy I converse with at the Water Cooler.View attachment 10068

 

[electricjet98]

Take your wholly "relative" and utterly BS notions of "hypocrisy" and place them wherever it's seemingly appropriate. My beliefs have never changed from the basic and decent notion of respecting any person or persons' worked service and experience...period. "You'se" are the entirely unprincipled and purely opportunistic ones trying to climb over the backs of people who've worked far more years then your sorry selves. "You'se" are merely hollow creatures that'll cheerfully take whatever personal gains as are ever made possible, and even fantasize yourselves to amazingly, even be "entitled" to whatever you could ever actually get away with it seems. By "you'se" highly "moral" perspective; A 3-month-new-hire's supposedly "worth" being magically made instantly "senior" to others with 16-17 years already worked?...Seriously!?Too bad for "you'se" on the nic obscenity not being handed to such entirely underserving and just purely pathetic excuses for "people". If any of "you'se" can actually look at yourselves in any mirror, and still fantasize you're somehow, magically "worthy" of subsuming say, a decade or more of anyone else's worked life, while yet imagining yourselves the least bit "righteous" and/or "integrity"-ridden, well...then the phrase sick little puppies doesn't even begin to address the serious need for psychiatric treatment evidenced in epidemic proportions out in PHX.
 
If "you'se" can find anything flawed in the philosophy (versus personal again and rank opportunism) of respecting others for their service and experience, well, let's hear it. What some/any arbitrator's momentary whims are don't matter there.

So when Michael is forced to look in the mirror and face the hypocrisy of his actions and words of his fellow hypocrites who quickly reverse their "stories" and "fairy tales" when conditions change, retreats to the empty shell of a bottle...like the empty shell of the man he sees in the mirror.

What? No fighter-pilot, duel to the death challenge today? Have another drink.

Oh...you probably know where you can stuff your arrogant, self-entitled and over-inflated opinion of yourself.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
USAPA was formed to renege on the arbitration.

Whatever floats your boat. I think you should go ahead and start the process of suing the arbitrators. Marty can be your attorney!