2014 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

very good...
 
and "blinded with rage" is another.

Locked in the PHX regional hub is another.

 

[Res Judicata]

That should scare the crap out of any pilot group going into a seniority integration with the APA. The East and the West should worry about this if the APA were to get their way. And the West is OK with this? They may like the phrase" the enemy of my enemy is my friend" I think that logic is seriously flawed in thinking the APA is a friend of the West. The West may not like USAPA, but perhaps another phrase should be considered... USAPA may very well be the "lesser of two evils"...

Right. The scab union has never, and will never speak for the West. We're a certified class of litigants. When the NMB kills off USCABA the "east" will be nothing. Hence the shitfit.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Have to hand it to the APA and their apparent strategy.  Use the long standing east/west fight to divide and conquer so they can impose their unions constitutional requirement of staple any groups merging with APA.
 
If they succeed they will get the staple job and every captain seat both east and west.    I see what they are trying to do,  sadly if they succeed I think many on the west will be muttering incoherently to themselves "but they were supposed to be our buddies" 
 
Read their information and their filings so far, they appear to be trying another TWA all over again.   And no,  those on the west are not safe from it........if anything the west is probably more at risk of being twa'd than the east is.

 

[algflyr]

 We're a certified class of litigants.

 
True, but that doesn't make you a certified party in the integration with the APA. Well except through your legal bargaining agent USAPA...

 

[Beancounter]

True, but that doesn't make you a certified party in the integration with the APA. Well except through your legal bargaining agent USAPA...

If the APA and company want the west to have a separate voice in the integration, how is that a DFR to the east, assuming USAPA is no longer our union? How is being fair to the west (a group never integrated) and allowing them a voice harming the east?

Bean

 

[traderjake]

 
That should scare the crap out of any pilot group going into a seniority integration with the APA.

 
This is going to arbitration, the process will be fair, and the West will have their seat at the table.  
 
That's why East pilots are scared.

 

[electricjet98]

This is going to arbitration, the process will be fair, and the West will have their seat at the table.  
 
That's why East pilots are scared.

Precisely.

Lots of distracting arguments, personal insults and childish accusations...it all boils down to some not wanting to face the truth.

 

[Res Judicata]

True, but that doesn't make you a certified party in the integration with the APA. Well except through your legal bargaining agent USAPA...

What's "USAPA"?

 

[snapthis]

What's "USAPA"?

View attachment 10110

 

[nevergiveup]

 
This is going to arbitration, the process will be fair, and the West will have their seat at the table.  
 
That's why East pilots are scared.

They may be a witness, but no seat for u!

 

[traderjake]

They may be a witness, but no seat for u!

 
If the company and APA want the West to have a seat, they will have a seat.
 
Who's going to stop them?
 
USAPA after it's gone?
 
USAPA will not have a seat, an APA  East and West MC will.

 

[snapthis]

They may be a witness, but no seat for u!

No seat for U?

This is how the APA should respond to USAPA..

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwbjcuQUv8

 

[700UW]

Company responds to lawsuit:
 
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/23/5672889/american-responds-in-pilots-union.html?rh=1
 

 
In a court filing made late Friday, Fort Worth-based American said a memorandum of understanding reached last year with the two pilots unions — the Allied Pilots and the US Airline Pilots Association — lays out a specific process for determining an integrated seniority list.
“The Company seeks to put a stop, once and for all, to USAPA’s bad-faith behavior in trying to escape the provisions of the MOU regarding seniority integration for the pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilot groups,” American said in its filing.
American asserted that the agreement specifies that any arbitration needed to resolve a seniority integration dispute be held after American and its pilots have reached a new contract.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/03/23/5672889/american-responds-in-pilots-union.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
 
 

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
 
Who's going to stop them?
 
USAPA after it's gone?
 

 
After it's gone, USAPA, LLC will hold this up in court for years.  And that's all the east pilots need anyway.  We've always maintained that in several more years we will all be gone, so another 6 or 7 years of status quo is all that is necessary.

 

[traderjake]

 
After it's gone, USAPA, LLC will hold this up in court for years.  And that's all the east pilots need anyway.  We've always maintained that in several more years we will all be gone, so another 6 or 7 years of status quo is all that is necessary.

 
 
I doubt it, separate ops does not save the company anymore.
 
The company thanks USAPA for 5 years of LOA 93 wages though. 
 
See your  pal 700UW's post above.