2014 Pilot Discussion

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Maybe some america west pilots can explain their LOA 8, no strike clause. 

 

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USAPA news;
 
"If the referendum now underway succeeds, it will require a membership vote for every proposed C&B change,  (in USAPA constitution, poster added comment)  however mundane and administrative in nature. It also will create unnecessary distractions for our pilots, who will feel compelled to analyze the merits of referendum after referendum regardless of the issue at stake. In short, it looks like a referendum in search of a problem. Our current system has proven effective in responding to the membership's needs."
 
"One of my main concerns with what's being proposed in the referendum is that a small minority — a majority of only those voting, instead of the current requirement of a majority of all members in good standing...."
 
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4278/A-Referendum-in-Search-of-a-Problem.aspx

 

[PullUp]

Maybe some america west pilots can explain their LOA 8, no strike clause. 

do you have a link?

 

[Claxon]

do you have a link?

No, thus my inquire directed at the west.  It is listed on their table of contents for their contract.  They will answer, caution, their lips will be moving when they respond.

 

[Black Swan]

Mitch Vasin, integrity matters pontificated expert. 
 
Mitch, you are the typical example of a west pilot embellishing the truth. 
 
It was a zero neutral contract until alpa sponsored the language in the awa US Airway pilot transition agreement.
 
 
"Subject to any applicable statutory limits, employer contributions to the
Association’s applicable 401(k), or Defined Contribution Plan, will be ten percent
(10%) of the pilot’s eligible earnings as defined in the applicable plan without an
employee or employer matching contribution. Note: For America West pilots,
contributions will be effective January 1, 2006."
 
"Profit sharing will be paid to each pilot who was employed by US
Airways or America West during the year in which the profit was earned
based on a formula for distribution to be determined by the Association."
 
Do the math mitch vasin, who should not be accepted to the Arizona Bar Association due to his lack of integrity; 
 
Attempting to shove their agenda down the throats of East pilots, alpa gave the west 10% 401 K and profit sharing they never had as a stand alone.
 
Gain for west pilots;
401k 10%                                                          = 15,000    per year
profit sharing for a PHX base with no profit          =  5,000 (average) per year
 
20,000 per year for west pilots from cherry picking East pilots contract in the transition agreement.  
 
mitch vasin was in ground school for america west when the US Airways, awa merger took place. 
 
"Because the America West pilots made more money than the US Airways pilots, "cost-neutral" meant that the America West pilots (who were already severely underpaid) would have to take PAY CUTS to give the US Airways pilots a slight raise."
mitch vasin
 
mitch, the Arizona Bar Association will be informed.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/2005_Transition_Agreement.pdf

Interesting. So Vasin is new to the property advocating jumpseat denials. A few months out of Eagle.

 

[Black Swan]

Vasin, with his " extensive" ALPA experience blows off Jeff Freund and gets his group into millions of lost legal expenses. Listening to Ferguson. Who is clueless.

 

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[SIZE=8pt]"AFA-CWA MEC Presidents Gary Richardson and Mike Flores along with ALPA Vice Chairman Mitch Vasin[/SIZE], members of the recently formed US Airways Labor Coalition, brought forward the west jumpseat weight restriction issue during the January meeting of the Labor Committee for the US Airways Board of Directors and called on management to remove the restriction.  
 
[SIZE=8pt]In a letter to employees Sr. Vice President of Flight Operations/Inflight Ed Bular writes:[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=8pt]I was recently made aware of an issue affecting pilot and flight attendant jumpseat riders on flights operated by West. After the cutover to FOS, the ability to make certain weight adjustments was restricted; and therefore we have heard from crewmembers that jumpseat riders are being removed from West flights in greater numbers than before the West cutover to FOS. In addition, we have heard concerns from East pilots and flight attendants about flights that were previously East metal that are now West flights and their inability to utilize the West jumpseats as a result of the weight restriction. We have heard these concerns throughout the system and evaluated the situation to see how we could help. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=8pt] 
 I understand how important the ability to jumpseat is to all of our commuting crewmembers, and the cutover to FOS was not intended to limit that ability. Therefore, the Company will implement a change to the procedures on flights operated by West to remove a revenue passenger prior to removing a mainline crewmember from the jumpseat. This new procedure will take effect on March 1, 2008. I am pleased to make this announcement and hopeful that this procedural change will benefit both our East and West mainline crewmembers when commuting by adding greater predictability.
 
 Captain Ed Bular
 Senior Vice President - Flight Operations/Inflight[/SIZE]

mitch, riding the coattails of East Pilots, an underwriting theme of his "holy war".

 

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"• In response to a message posted on the
AWAPPA Web Board expressing concern about the
discussions of repeated dialing USAPA’s toll-free
number, Defendant Vasin posted a message on the
AWAPPA Web Board stating, “No, it’s ok to talk
about dialing USAPA over and over.” [Id. at ¶72];"
 
"• A posting on May 14, 2008 by Defendant Vasin,
relating a message received on the AWAPPA
website from an American Eagle pilot who wrote,
“Hi, Eagle guys have the Pxxxx information for
jumpseat usage, so you guys should be fine. Best
of luck, I have a lot of friends with your airline.” [Id.
at ¶119]."
 
cc:  Arizona Bar Association
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/97-Order-Grant%20Motion%20to%20Dismiss.pdf

 

[luvthe9]

http://www.coworker.org/petitions/reversal-of-impending-change-with-non-revenue-boarding


REVERSAL OF IMPENDING NON-REVENUE BOARDING PROCESS OF FIRST COME FIRST SERVE WEB CHECK IN

 

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"• A message posted on the AWAPPA Web Board
listed the telephone number of an unidentified US
Airways pilot who was interested in becoming a
USAPA representative, along with the suggestion
that a “couple HUNDRED strongly worded
[telephone] messages” may deter his participation
in USAPA. The pilot subsequently decided not to
become a USAPA representative. The pilot sought
the assistance of US Airways in dealing with
multiple threats that he received by phone and email
in response to his interest in becoming an
USAPA representative, including a threatening email
from Defendant Abbott on May 12, 2008,
inquiring as to when a “blanket party” (a method of
assault wherein the victim is covered by a blanket
while being attacked) would be held for this pilot.
This same pilot also has been subjected to threats
by “multiple pilots” to put him on a “no fly” list. [Id.
at ¶¶85, 86];
• On May 9, 2008, a doll with “USAPA” written on it
was found hanging from a noose in a cockpit of a
US Airways plane in St. Louis, Missouri. [Id. at
¶87];
• In May 2008, a sticker was discovered in a jetway
in Charlotte, North Carolina, referring to USAPA as
“scabs.” [Id. at ¶88];
• The United States Postal Service has informed
USAPA that “injurious articles,” such as rocks and
feces, have been sent through the mail to USAPA’s
post office box. [Id. at ¶89]."

 

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FAA?

 

[luvthe9]

Vasin, with his " extensive" ALPA experience blows off Jeff Freund and gets his group into millions of lost legal expenses. Listening to Ferguson. Who is clueless.

. We now have a better picture what the East MEC had on the table: an 8 year fence, furloughs by longevity (LOS), MDA time not counting for longevity, Dave ODell having 400 pilots below him, and the Nic surviving as THE LIST. Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, but last February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldnt get to first base with it.

Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost.



They need to take responsibility for that.


Koontz and Ferguson screwed the west pilots.

 

[Claxon]

west pilots, choose your future epitaph;
 
We the west pilots chose;
 
1     APA, allied pilot association,  whom looked out for the best interest in a merger with AirCal, Reno, TWA and awa pilots or anyone the hell else they merged with.
 
2   USAPA, whom we retained our date of hire and tenure rights, including conditions and restrictions.
 
 
The lines are blurred, yet depend on your focus. 

 

[Claxon]

west pilots, choose your future epitaph;
 
We the west pilots chose;
 
1     APA, allied pilot association,  whom looked out for the best interest in a merger with AirCal, Reno, TWA and awa pilots or anyone the hell else they merged with.
 
2   USAPA, whom we retained our date of hire and tenure rights, including conditions and restrictions.
 
 
The lines are blurred, yet depend on your focus. 

Oh wait, maybe the west pilots can hire a law firm and claim DFR against the amr pilots.  You can contribute only a couple hundred a month for years and at the end, have some one ask you to buy a 675 dollar tie.
 
New leader required on the west pilot side. IMHO.

 

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west pilots choice,
 
Screw East pilots in the future or get screwed by apa pilots in the future. 
 
What is best for you and your families future west?  Last chance to make a choice. 
 
Pretend for a moment you are a man and make no excuses for the path you chose.  A new west leader needs to step up.  If not you will continue to be listening to information from those that have liberty underwear, that can not contain their voids, (pun intended) of information they provide, regarding your future.