2014 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

Hello east SCABs,

Word is uscaba is opposing the APA's single carrier petition.

Well, let me put it this way, another federal judge has called you SCAB to your face.

Your done, game, set, match!

The Nic will be integrated with the APA's list, and there is just nothing you can do about it.


Oh, and for NYC.....the guy who keeps calling Nicolau a senile old man, and the award an abomination and such.....FUCH YOU SCAB!

Bad parenting!

 

[dca319]

I don't see anything to get so excited about. When the conditions for single carrier status are met it will happen. If their is no merit to usapa's opposition then single carrier will happen fairly soon. If there is merit to usapa's opposition single carrier status will still occur albeit at a somewhat later date.
All the best,
 
Bob

Company just filed a 17 page document outlining operational integration. USAPA is using an argument that ALPA used and failed with when USAPA (the irony) was trying to come onto property. By the looks of the company's filing, I don't foresee the NMB holding SCC up for even a second.

I'll go even further and say this is all been prearranged. USAPA is being excised and will be gone by early spring.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Interesting to note that a buddy of mine at APA stated that the plan was to wait the full amount of time before filing for single carrier but Silver's ruling changed that. It looks more and more like the APA, company, and NMB are coordinating efforts to move this forward quickly and without USAPA.

Now I read that USAPA is opposing SCC based on non-integration which is ironic because that's the exact opposite of what they argued against ALPA those many years ago.

Sounds like the BPR sees this slipping away fairly quickly.

If you have ever worked on trying to get representational status for any union organization you have to PETITION the NMB.  You can read about it here: www.nmb.gov.
 
The NMB makes "findings" on the application and determines based on the filings who does (or does not) get representational status.  The "APA, company, and NMB are coordinating" is fallacy at its finest because that is simply NOT how the process works.
 
There is NOTHING detrimental to USAPA for their "filing" and I QUOTE:
 

"26. APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date. If and when the NMB makes a single carrier finding, the single carrier acknowledged by the NMB and the certified representative shall be governed by this Memorandum."
 

They ARE doing what IS required of them by the MOU and nothing will change regarding the JCBA NOR the SLI.  FUD....pure and simple.

 

[end_of_alpa]

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/representation-manual.pdf
 
Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System
 
All applicants must submit evidence of representation or showing of interest from at least fifty (50) percent of the employees in the craft or class.
 
Evidence of representation or showing of interest from incumbent organizations or individuals on the affected carrier(s) includes, but is not limited to, a seniority list, dues check-off list, a current collective bargaining agreement or a certification, or other indicia of current representation.
 
If the organization or individual filing the application does not represent any of the employees covered by the application,
showing of interest is proved by valid authorization cards. (See Section 3.0)
 
19.602 If not already filed with the initial application, organizations (Incumbents and Intervenors) have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to submit evidence of a showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest on the single transportation system.
 
Applications that do not meet the showing of interest requirements will be dismissed.
 
19.7 Status of Representation Certifications
Existing certifications remain in effect until the NMB issues a new certification or dismissal.

 

[dca319]

If you have ever worked on trying to get representational status for any union organization you have to PETITION the NMB.  You can read about it here: www.nmb.gov.
 
The NMB makes "findings" on the application and determines based on the filings who does (or does not) get representational status.  The "APA, company, and NMB are coordinating" is fallacy at its finest because that is simply NOT how the process works.
 
There is NOTHING detrimental to USAPA for their "filing" and I QUOTE:
 

They ARE doing what IS required of them by the MOU and nothing will change regarding the JCBA NOR the SLI.  FUD....pure and simple.

That petition looks solid and well coordinated.

USAPA's argument, the same one ALPA tried using, not so much.

USAPA is, and will, continue to throw **** at the wall hoping something sticks.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Company just filed a 17 page document outlining operational integration. USAPA is using an argument that ALPA used and failed with when USAPA (the irony) was trying to come onto property. By the looks of the company's filing, I don't foresee the NMB holding SCC up for even a second.

I'll go even further and say this is all been prearranged. USAPA is being excised and will be gone by early spring.

Filed what and with whom?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Here is the latest from USAPA.
 
Under ALPA we did NOT have McCaskill-Bond.  That is a new and yet to considered argument if argued with the NMB.  Having said that, the PROCESS remains the same no matter if APA takes over or not.  I'm sure USAPA will get clarification on this issue when it gets briefed in appeals court.

Yesterday, the Allied Pilots Association (APA) filed an application with the National Mediation Board for an investigation of a representational dispute. In doing so, the APA invoked the merger processes of the NMB Representation Manual to ultimately determine who will be the representative of the pilots at the New American. In order for the NMB to move forward, it must first determine the carrier is operating as a single integrated operation. This “single carrier” determination is based on all the facts bearing on whether the merged carriers have become combined into a single operation. The NMB Representation Manual lists the following relevant factors for consideration:
(1) published combined schedules or combined routes;
(2) standardized uniforms;
(3) common marketing, markings or insignia;
(4) integrated essential operations such as scheduling or dispatching;
(5) centralized labor and personnel operations;
(6) combined or common management, corporate officers, and board of directors;
(7) combined workforce; and,
(8) common or overlapping ownership.
The determination is generally based not on what might be planned or contemplated in the future, but on what is the current actual state of the operation. It is expected that the investigation of this petition will take a minimum of six months. The NMB must find that the facts exist to support a single carrier determination in order to find that a single pilot craft or class exists between American and US Airways. Once the NMB determines there is a single carrier, it will proceed to a determination of the appropriate bargaining representative for the various groups of employees, including the pilots. The NMB rules provide at least 30 days following a single carrier determination for the submission of a showing of interest by any labor organization seeking to represent the combined group of employees, followed by an appropriate process for determining the representative, which may include a representation election. Throughout this process, the existing bargaining representatives continue to represent their pre-merger employee groups.
Moreover, it is important to note that the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration. In particular, the status of the seniority integration process is a factor considered by the NMB, and the fact that the process may not be complete is a factor that would weigh against a single carrier finding. Counsel for USAPA believe that until seniority integration is completed, the determination of single carrier status is premature and will take that position with the NMB.
USAPA Communications
 

 

[dca319]

Filed what and with whom?

Sent by Paul Jones to the NMB.

 

[luvthe9]

Hello east SCABs,
..FUCH YOU SCAB!

. Somebody is a little angry today, such potty mouth, been talking to Move2 I see.

 

[767one]

Company just filed a 17 page document outlining operational integration. USAPA is using an argument that ALPA used and failed with when USAPA (the irony) was trying to come onto property. By the looks of the company's filing, I don't foresee the NMB holding SCC up for even a second.

I'll go even further and say this is all been prearranged. USAPA is being excised and will be gone by early spring.

The death of usapa has been predicted more than a few times and has not happened as quickly as some have predicted. Usapa will go away but I don't think it will happen just because you wish it so. And when usapa is gone life will go on and more than likely more lawsuits will be filed. There will be two groups who will come out of this as winners.....the lawyers and the company. 

 

[Claxon]

Sounds good.
Oh, your wife says to stop and get milk on the way home. She'll be late tonight.
I guess I'm not her last one for the day.

Classic Move2CLT
We know about the Davidson fantasy
It did not end too well
Oh, please say hi to that tool Cleardirect.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Sent by Paul Jones to the NMB.

I only see the two page filing by APA. Where is the a Company filing?

 

[end_of_alpa]

The death of usapa has been predicted more than a few times and has not happened as quickly as some have predicted. Usapa will go away but I don't think it will happen just because you wish it so. And when usapa is gone life will go on and more than likely more lawsuits will be filed. There will be two groups who will come out of this as winners.....the lawyers and the company.

Again you demonstrate that wisdom and age are truly "ageless".

Best to you Bob.

 

[Ames]

David Simmons has had a meltdown. He has lost it.

Claxon beats his wife!  He has lost it.

 

[luvthe9]

Claxon beats his wife!  He has lost it.

Boy, you westies are going off the deep end, all of you have such a bad attitude. You all need to get a grip and understand it's over and has been for years, otherwise stagnate in the desert and watch the east grow!!