2014 Pilot Discussion

[CactusPilot1]

Can you name the lawsuit currently against USAPA? (Hint: your appeal)
The West will receive a merger committee and their lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice, at their own request, as a condition to enter the SLI arbitration, pursuant to the Protocol Agreement.
Three lists. Relative slotting. No Nic. No DOH. Fair and equitable according to the current status quo. Everyone lives happily ever after, except the bitter clingers to legends of old that never were. The end.

Pay attention, please.

You will not be getting a do-over on seniority with this merger. Two lists, not three. No more bites at the apple. If you want a second bite, it will be in the form of a $&@@ sandwich.

 

[EastUS1]

 Two lists, not three.

 
Yet "you'se" demand and expect separate represention, making of the issue three contesting parties at mutual odds, and your notions still somehow "make sense" to, well, anyone?...Umm...HOW exactly? Details would be appreciated...This should be fun.
 
If attempting to construct anything even remotely approaching a rational response to that proves far too taxing, well, I'm sure we could all make do with just another cartoon.

 

[Phoenix]

Pay attention, please.
You will not be getting a do-over on seniority with this merger. Two lists, not three. No more bites at the apple. If you want a second bite, it will be in the form of a $&@@ sandwich.

Your merger committee will hold their nose and swallow the bitter pill. Because this SLI will be completed long before your appeal, they have no choice but to willing, irrevocably bind themselves by all the terms of the protocol agreement. The choice is bitter water, or no water.

The horse will drink, and then send out another letter calling for more donations. Prepare the checkbook!! Wet the pen!!

 

[nevergiveup]

Pay attention, please.

You will not be getting a do-over on seniority with this merger. Two lists, not three. No more bites at the apple. If you want a second bite, it will be in the form of a $&@@ sandwich.

Yawn....count again!

 

[Phoenix]

However non-traditional his methods, he must be given his due. He's certainly managed to hook over a thousand sand perch, and even keep them on his lines to play with for years.

Another proof case that P.T. Barnum is timeless.

 

[Hawkhunter]

I love how these scabs speak so matter of fact. Like they know the outcome and have special information. Nobody does it better than Catpiss he really talks out of his a$$. Wait and see the outcome Westoffs and quit pissing your pants over this. We already won so stfu. I just got on the APA message board and I do not hear the pounding of chest from Catpiss. Come on big boy tell everybody about the hotel van again! LMFAO

 

[luvthe9]

I love how these scabs speak so matter of fact. Like they know the outcome and have special information. Nobody does it better than Catpiss he really talks out of his a$$. Wait and see the outcome Westoffs and quit pissing your pants over this. We already won so stfu. I just got on the APA message board and I do not hear the pounding of chest from Catpiss. Come on big boy tell everybody about the hotel van again! LMFAO

Well what do you expect, his alter ego is Spinthis aka Move2clt.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Well what do you expect, his alter ego is Spinthis aka Move2clt.

Ewe sound like hawkpus, Love Claxon. Got a three-way going?

 

[cltrat]

I love how these scabs speak so matter of fact. Like they know the outcome and have special information. Nobody does it better than Catpiss he really talks out of his a$$. Wait and see the outcome Westoffs and quit pissing your pants over this. We already won so stfu. I just got on the APA message board and I do not hear the pounding of chest from Catpiss. Come on big boy tell everybody about the hotel van again! LMFAO

it's the same old same old Hawkhunter, westies get all giddy on their predictions of what will happen then said predictions miss(again) then they disappear like a cockroach with the light on. You would think by this time they would just lay low and if something good did actually happen then dog the hell out of you guys.

 

[A320 Driver]

Pay attention, please.
You will not be getting a do-over on seniority with this merger. Two lists, not three. No more bites at the apple. If you want a second bite, it will be in the form of a $&@@ sandwich.

You better read the protocol agreement. It's black and white. Three lists in effect December 9, 2013. Signed, sealed, delivered. I'll be real curious how you think you can get around it. Slotted by equipment with a longevity credit. Get used to it.

READ IT!

 

[CactusPilot1]

it's the same old same old Hawkhunter, westies get all giddy on their predictions of what will happen then said predictions miss(again) then they disappear like a cockroach with the light on. You would think by this time they would just lay low and if something good did actually happen then dog the hell out of you guys.

Look what just jumped off the cargo of the rapidly expanding train station in CLT. A rat.

I was looking for a hawkpus who has this fascination with urine. I did not see his usual pissy posts on the AA forums. All I saw was the continuing of the pounding on KV. They aren't buying the Eastholes line of whine.

KV

You continue to try and rewrite history to you liking. We had $5BILLION going into BK and over 6 coming out. This was a BK or convenience, not necessity. That is why we, the pilots of AA, came out smelling like a rose. The shareholders were NOT left out in the cold, they got a lot of value for holding onto their stock.

The economy was on an upswing.

The AMR bankruptcy was done for one reason: LUMP SUM

If you do the math, AMR was going to be liable for around $10Billion in CASH the next 5 years because the age 65 rule was coming to the forefront. It was going to happen about 6 years ago, but they got the Congress to change age 60 to age 65. There is a push to change to 67 now.

You know very little of our history and how things worked and would have worked out. You like to rewrite it to sound like LUS was thriving. It was not. AmWest did get outside financing, LUS could not.

It was NOT APA's seniority practices that caused McCaskill Bond, it was the complete stapling of TWA F/As to the bottom of the APFA list. Not anything to do with APA.

In 2005, the economy was beginning to slide. USAir was again in trouble. Parker, and his den of thieves (financiers) came in and salvaged your airline AFTER you gave away your pension, benefits and PAY. Big time. If you had of stayed independent to 2008, you probably would not be in existence now (with the sight of hind, 20-20).

Your calm statements, similar to TWA, that "all was well, we will be fine on our own" are just self-effacing bluster trying to distract the reality: You were on the verge of collapse. TWA was going into BK once more, and they deal was that the same day they went to BK, AMR and Carty took over, but could step away from contracts not favorable (such as the Icahn ticket deal), similar to what they tried to do to us in 2013. Luckily, the courts, the unions and the shareholders all saw thru this facade and we are where we are today directly due to APA's involvement and insistence. (Thanks once again, Capt. David Bates)

You are getting to the point that readers will scroll past you since you are a bit of a broken record, changing only slightly to try and counter the comments being made at you from both the west and LAA.

We LAA guys/gals are not against you. But you are firmly against the AmWest pilots. That has to stop.

This seniority integration is going to arbitration. You, legacy USAPA members, are seeing to that. And you have already intimated that you will sue if you don't get DOH, or LOS, or stapled to the top of all lists, or whatever you claim at any given moment.

I guess we may as well set aside a few court dates. The only difference is, YOU will be paying dues to fight YOURSELF in court, similar to what you made the AmWest Leonidas group of FELLOW PILOTS do for all these years. And you accomplished NOTHING except the loss of your own income. Good job.

Now back to your regular schedule programming..

 

[nycbusdriver]

The fake union won't have any say. Decertified is good enough. You won't be missed by anybody outside of the fake union.

Holly Hegeman‏@PlaneBusiness
Ding dong... USAPA is dead. Well, not dead. But decertified. Good enough.

 

Holly Hegeman is a long-standing twit.

 

[nevergiveup]

Look what just jumped off the cargo of the rapidly expanding train station in CLT. A rat.

I was looking for a hawkpus who has this fascination with urine. I did not see his usual pissy posts on the AA forums. All I saw was the continuing of the pounding on KV. They aren't buying the Eastholes line of whine.

KV

You continue to try and rewrite history to you liking. We had $5BILLION going into BK and over 6 coming out. This was a BK or convenience, not necessity. That is why we, the pilots of AA, came out smelling like a rose. The shareholders were NOT left out in the cold, they got a lot of value for holding onto their stock.

The economy was on an upswing.

The AMR bankruptcy was done for one reason: LUMP SUM

If you do the math, AMR was going to be liable for around $10Billion in CASH the next 5 years because the age 65 rule was coming to the forefront. It was going to happen about 6 years ago, but they got the Congress to change age 60 to age 65. There is a push to change to 67 now.

You know very little of our history and how things worked and would have worked out. You like to rewrite it to sound like LUS was thriving. It was not. AmWest did get outside financing, LUS could not.

It was NOT APA's seniority practices that caused McCaskill Bond, it was the complete stapling of TWA F/As to the bottom of the APFA list. Not anything to do with APA.

In 2005, the economy was beginning to slide. USAir was again in trouble. Parker, and his den of thieves (financiers) came in and salvaged your airline AFTER you gave away your pension, benefits and PAY. Big time. If you had of stayed independent to 2008, you probably would not be in existence now (with the sight of hind, 20-20).

Your calm statements, similar to TWA, that "all was well, we will be fine on our own" are just self-effacing bluster trying to distract the reality: You were on the verge of collapse. TWA was going into BK once more, and they deal was that the same day they went to BK, AMR and Carty took over, but could step away from contracts not favorable (such as the Icahn ticket deal), similar to what they tried to do to us in 2013. Luckily, the courts, the unions and the shareholders all saw thru this facade and we are where we are today directly due to APA's involvement and insistence. (Thanks once again, Capt. David Bates)

You are getting to the point that readers will scroll past you since you are a bit of a broken record, changing only slightly to try and counter the comments being made at you from both the west and LAA.

We LAA guys/gals are not against you. But you are firmly against the AmWest pilots. That has to stop.

This seniority integration is going to arbitration. You, legacy USAPA members, are seeing to that. And you have already intimated that you will sue if you don't get DOH, or LOS, or stapled to the top of all lists, or whatever you claim at any given moment.

I guess we may as well set aside a few court dates. The only difference is, YOU will be paying dues to fight YOURSELF in court, similar to what you made the AmWest Leonidas group of FELLOW PILOTS do for all these years. And you accomplished NOTHING except the loss of your own income. Good job.

Now back to your regular schedule programming..

Gee, I wonder who wrote this!

 

[Phoenix]

..... You, legacy USAPA members, are seeing to that. And you have already intimated that you will sue if you don't get DOH, or LOS, or stapled to the top of all lists, or whatever you claim at any given moment...

 
 
USAPA being sue happy...? That is simply not true.  It is USAPA that NEGOTIATED the Protocol Agreement and DROPPED their own lawsuit, with prejudice against it.
 
Can AOL negotiate, or are they going to stick with their Nic or Nothing strategy until the bitter end?  
 
AOL better read the Protocol Agreement carefully.  APA and USAPA negotiated it.    There is absolutely no safe haven for you to stake a claim to NIc. 

 

[Barrister]

How do you log on to the AA forum. I need a little light reading !
If it is CR on the forum page I keep getting a page cannot be displayed msg??
 
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