2014 Pilot Discussion

[dca319]

Read what you pasted. "However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision". "Notes", as in her Dicta. She didnt and wouldnt rule as to what is contained in Macaskil Bond, unless she wants to explain to senators Mcaskil and Bond what they really meant when they wrote their ruling.
USAPA will represent the oposing party in the seniority integration, then they will cease to exist. Their job complete.
And the reason that USAPA ever existed, is the same reason that APA will not ever allow this integration go to Arbitration.
This one "Is Bound" by federal law, and a derilict decision by a moron can't be held up to the light, before being consumated.

The house is coming down, the walls are closing in, and the dusk is turning to night.  The APA and the company are quite obviously in cahoots as the paperwork is flying out of the legal department and APA shows no support for USAPA.
 
APA will do whatever it takes to maintain USAPA's marginalized status.  We are non-players here now.

 

[Claxon]

I think it is you who are that dense.
What the APA is doing is putting pressure on the scabs to cut a deal while they can, of course that deal is going to look just like the TWA deal. Question is will there be enough CLT, PHL protection (think STL) for the scabs to buy off on it?
The only way we get a fair integration is to force arbitration...end of story.
As far as the MB process goes, something east posters keep missing is just because the arbitration is mandated by federal law does not make it any more or less binding than the Nic. It will not be incontestable, and if the integration fails to use a prior arbitrated award that nobody ever ceded their rights to...well...it will be contested and tossed!
Think about it...the east's position at this point is either cut a deal with the APA seeking base protections, or force arbitration, where the Nic will get used.
Like I been telling you all along...you are gonna be lucky to get the Nic!

Remember, yesterday was the anniversary of the great miracle on the Hudson! We all know Sullenberger infuriates you.

 

[Claxon]

The house is coming down, the walls are closing in, and the dusk is turning to night.  The APA and the company are quite obviously in cahoots as the paperwork is flying out of the legal department and APA shows no support for USAPA.
 
APA will do whatever it takes to maintain USAPA's marginalized status.  We are non-players here now.

Silver cut you loose. Leonidas has no more cash. The senior west pilots are sick and tired of the GenY entitlements. They desperately want the 236.06 hr. It is over. Get in the back of the line.

 

[Claxon]

S
He owns a van. Kind of a clunker because of his LoA93 dollars. But it runs- or used to, at least. Don't know for how much longer. Three months?

That van is going into the Carolinas Air Museum very shortly.
Part of the USAPA history section. The one that destroyed the Nic for Skiles.

 

[Res Judicata]

That van is going into the Carolinas Air Museum very shortly.
Part of the USAPA history section. The one that destroyed the Nic for Skiles.

So delusional. Remember, just because the company and the APA will be using the Nic for the SLI, you CANNOT sue anyone until after the arbitration is complete, and you see the nic staring you in the face. Just because the APA will fully acknowledge that the. nic is going to be used, ITS JUST A PROPOSAL.

Gee I hope nothing causes any delays in the next few months while the NMB gives the keys to the APA. Like an Appeal. Of course, once USCABA is gone, the appeal goes away too. A built in perfect delay to bind the hands of the fake union...just long enough.

Think that could happen?.............HHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

 

[im back..!!]

And APA will be our collective bargaining agent in about three months. Get used to it.

But you will be represented by USAPA until a ISL....

 

[im back..!!]

Nice story, I love fiction. 
How's this:  USAPA is gone before seniority is even looked at.  The APA is going to manage this integration, just like FUKU was trying to do with east and west.  But, your clock ran out because, well, you only had almost six years to pass that DoH list which never saw the light of day.  Hmmmm.  Welp, that's yesterday's news, just like Bradford and his bunch.  
We at least have a lot to look forward to, and I am sure the APA will be fair to us all.  They do have a tendency to not regurgitate already settled labor agreements (like, say, TWA/AA and probably AWA/U).  It's better that way- following the rules and all.  That's probably foreign to a lot of you, as Judge Silver identified in her latest opinion.  
Remember, be a good union pilot!
 
 
Oh, and "Wide range of reasonableness" 

Assuming your correct, and Parker will not allow a costly bunp and flush.... you and I are in the seats we will occupy for a long time, mines the left one....and you?

 

[Res Judicata]

But you will be represented by USAPA until a ISL....

Better read up on your new unions communications. They have ZERO intentions of allowing a non certified CBA into the MB process. This fake union called USCABA forced a federal judge to confirm this...ie it blew up in their face...as per normal. You'll have to wait and sue until after the APA takes over and USAPA is history though. No telling With absolute certainty what the APA will actually do. Perhaps they're currently lying about ignoring your fake, decertified union. We'll just have to wait and see what they do after you're toast.

 

[dca319]

But you will be represented by USAPA until a ISL....

Not according to Silver. And the APA is going with her decision.

 

[traderjake]

Assuming your correct, and Parker will not allow a costly bunp and flush.... you and I are in the seats we will occupy for a long time, mines the left one....and you?

 
No one senior to you is going to retire creating a vacancy above you?

 

[A320 Driver]

Better read up on your new unions communications. They have ZERO intentions of allowing a non certified CBA into the MB process. This fake union called USCABA forced a federal judge to confirm this...ie it blew up in their face...as per normal. You'll have to wait and sue until after the APA takes over and USAPA is history though. No telling With absolute certainty what the APA will actually do. Perhaps they're currently lying about ignoring your fake, decertified union. We'll just have to wait and see what they do after you're toast.

After YOU are toast. You don't think you will get a pass if they attempt to put the screws to us, do you? MB was created to stop just a sort of scenario from happening and guess who precipitated that legislation??? AA in their treatment of TWA. A federal judge from Arizona cannot re-write federal law to suit her own understanding...or misunderstanding. You lost your lottery ticket and that ticks you off...too bad. Had NIC not made such a bloody mess of the whole thing, we wouldn't have this problem. In any case, APA is trying to hedge it's bets on a SLI. My guess is the NMB will stop them cold or they too will be ignoring MB. It was just a matter of time before the fangs came out. APA has NEVER been kind in a SLI anyway. If MB has any teeth at all, this will be stopped in it's tracks.

 

[im back..!!]

 
No one senior to you is going to retire creating a vacancy above you?

sure there are, and those seats will be filled by current AA f/o's that will be placed above me and you and all the west. according to the logic that APA will negotiate with themselves on our behalf. only a true dimwit could even propose such a solution.
That is as stupid an idea as having one side tell the judge both sides of an arguement in a court case. I guess you people think only the wife in a divorce gets to plead her and her husbands case?

 

[nevergiveup]

Better read up on your new unions communications. They have ZERO intentions of allowing a non certified CBA into the MB process. This fake union called USCABA forced a federal judge to confirm this...ie it blew up in their face...as per normal. You'll have to wait and sue until after the APA takes over and USAPA is history though. No telling With absolute certainty what the APA will actually do. Perhaps they're currently lying about ignoring your fake, decertified union. We'll just have to wait and see what they do after you're toast.

coming from the player that is 0-13.

 

[flyingskier]

Massive upward movement- ZOOM!

Looks like Prechill has been looking at East April system bid..

49 Widebody Captain Vacancies

77 Widebody F/O Vacancies

53 AB320 Captain Vacancies

118 New Hires..

Zoom is right Pre. Meanwhile in PHX…

Skier

 

[end_of_alpa]

sure there are, and those seats will be filled by current AA f/o's that will be placed above me and you and all the west. according to the logic that APA will negotiate with themselves on our behalf. only a true dimwit could even propose such a solution.
That is as stupid an idea as having one side tell the judge both sides of an arguement in a court case. I guess you people think only the wife in a divorce gets to plead her and her husbands case?

You waste time arguing with him.  The APA already said they are establishing the protocol agreement with the Company and USAPA per the MOU.  APA assumes control over the JCBA (if one established before Single Carrier) or completes JCBA with MTA as an amendment after.  Appeals court will clarify.