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nic4us said:
I am only taking bets from West pilots,.....
 
"You'se" should find no shortage of ready and willing suckers then. Just make sure to remind them they're "spartans", and have such vast "Integrity" that they actually need specially-printed T-shirts to fully realize just how much! Have fun. 😉
 
nic4us said:
Hi east SCABs
 
Hey..if you are gonna quote the APA update...try to actually use quotes and the same language/sentence whatever...old Eof A misquoted very badly.
 
What the update says is they "will continue to persue negotiations".....does not say anything in there about,,, in EofA's words,, "establish" a protocol agreement.
 
bye bye SCAB union, there is a new CBA coming to town who is probably willing to "negotiate" with you right up to the point you get evicted from the company.
 
but...but...but...Nic4us...there is a timeline that says within 30 days...yeah, I know..and that timeline has altready been extended. 
 
Who wants to bet that extension gets exteded once we get a feel for the NMBs SCS determination?
 
I am only taking bets from West pilots, or pilots or employees of other airlines...already know not to enter any agreement, contract, wager with an east SCAB.
Perhaps the most idiotic quote of the week.
 
prechilill said:
Ain't that the truth! The clown union will be gone soon, maybe even les than 90 days. Then comes the dissolution of the committees
 
 
Thanks pre! We've been far too long without yet another of your ever-prescient "T minus" countdown clocks. 🙂
 
prechilill said:
Ain't that the truth! The clown union will be gone soon, maybe even les than 90 days. Then comes the dissolution of the committees
No more wasted $$$ on the pension "investigation"
No grievance granny sucking off FPL
The majority is the new minority
One accepted seniority list
No more vans by the river
No more delays
Welcome to the APA
Remember, be good union pilots! 😀
No more highest dues in the industry to pay for slugs to feed off the system.
 
Claxon said:
Perhaps the most idiotic quote of the week.
 
Hmmm....possibly, but there's been some serious and yet on-going challengers stepping up for consideration.
 
I've still got to stick with pre's "...and I am sure the APA will be fair to us all." Tiny Tim bit for now. 😉
 
snapthis said:
No more highest dues in the industry to pay for slugs to feed off the system.
Speaking of feeding. East pilots, make sure your bid is up to date. Huge bid closing tonight. Should be RECORD wide body results and other upgrades. Might have some 6 month new hire 190 capts.
Sorry Snap. Fergie kept you guys out of this one and others for years to come.
 
snapthis said:
Much like AA, we don't/didn't need US Airways to survive.
The sooner you figure that out the better.
. Please don't make yourself dumber than you are, please tell us about Project Zanzibar, ring a bell by chance. We saved your scab arses.
 
prechilill said:
Ain't that the truth! The clown union will be gone soon, maybe even les than 90 days. Then comes the dissolution of the committees
No more wasted $$$ on the pension "investigation"
No grievance granny sucking off FPL
The majority is the new minority
One accepted seniority list
No more vans by the river
No more delays
Welcome to the APA
Remember, be good union pilots! 😀
You forgot no more NIC.
 
snapthis said:
Me living in the past? It's your group living in the past who want West pilots to pay for your failed career expectations in 2005.
Huh, career expectations looking good here out east.
 
"Us Airways, America West Seniority Dispute rough draft timeline

2005-2006  US Airways, United in merger talks

2005 Us Airways, America West merge

May 2007  Arbitrator George Nicolau’ pilot seniority award was issued.  The award was written with the assistance of two ALPA pilot neutrals, Steve Gillen United Airlines Pilot and  Jim Brucia former Continental pilot now United Airlines Pilot.

2007 Us Airways pilots ask ALPA to review the award.  ALPA president  John Prater, former Continental pilot now United Airlines pilot, assigns ALPA vice president Paul Rice, United pilot,  to review the award.

December 2007,  Paul Rice, United pilot, delivers seniority list to Us Airways.

2007  A group of Us Airways pilots start a drive to start their own in house pilot union.

March 2008  ALPA puts the Us Airways ALPA Mec in trusteeship.

April  2008  In a National Mediation Board sanctioned election, Us Airways pilots oust ALPA and vote in USAPA as their official pilot representative.

May 2008  United calls off merger talk with Us Airways.

June 24, 2008   United Airlines starts furloughing pilots that will eventually lead to 1450 pilots at United on the street.  Had a merger occurred using the Nicolau award derived with the assistance of United pilot neutrals,  Us Airways pilots would have suffered the brunt of the furloughs and few United pilots would have been affected.

2008  America West pilots sue for DFR against USAPA.

2009  2010 US Airways and United restart merger talks.

April 2010  United Us Airways end merger talks.

June 2010  The 9th circuit court rules in USAPA’s favor."

 
 
US Airways East pilots said no way to the list that alpa president and scab john prater tried to shove down their throats.  East pilots should be proud of this.
 
america west pilots are scabs, they flew drugs and flew drunk. 
 
luvthe9 said:
Huh, career expectations looking good here out east.
 
Well...Good for you.
 
Things looking good out West and we'll finally be American.
 
 
Your union is located on 14600 Trinity Blvd #500, Fort Worth, TX.
 
 
"MEC Chairman’s Message
 
February 8, 2008
 
This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a chairman’s message to the pilots for Friday, February 08, 2008.
 
After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks. At this time they are not prepared to address seniority implementation issues, specifically, mitigating the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
 
Recall that we met to determine if we had enough common ground between us on important issues to come up with a comprehensive counterproposal for both MECs to review. As we told you, this counterproposal would have to adequately address not only all open JNC issues, but more importantly for the AAA pilots, pay parity and seniority protection. We came to the neutral site at Wye River, MD with these goals in mind, and within these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots. Despite what you may have heard or read, none of that changed during the meeting.
 
While we respect what the AWA pilots were there to accomplish, the US Airways MEC’s position remains the same and our MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.
I’ll be calling the MEC into session for a special meeting next week. While there is no comprehensive counterproposal to bring back to the MEC, they'll receive a briefing on the process, and I plan to add two other items to the agenda: developing a distribution methodology for 2007 Profit Sharing and Stock Options and to review an agreement extending the timeframe for filing disputes concerning flow-through issues.
 
The MEC will now review our options. Keep in mind that the odds of any plan we develop succeeding are greatly diminished by members of this MEC continuing to cower behind their fear of failure and seeking to sabotage any process we elect to pursue. You can see that all of the noise and accusations coming out of PHL Council 41 about the work of our Steering Committee was unfounded and disingenuous. When it came time to meet directly with our AWA counterparts, we did exactly what we said we would, AAA pilots working with AWA pilots trying to mitigate the damages of the Nicolau Award.
Excuses and alibis will not replace leadership. We made a promise, and we kept it. There was no cramdown, no end-run deal, no deal chasing and no back room conspiracies. I hope you did not fall for these contrived ideas spread in order to try and scare you. The majority of this MEC and your MEC officers are not afraid of failure. We said we were going to look under every stone to find solutions and we meant it. My only fear is that some of our MEC fear the search may actually produce something that would require them to lead rather than criticize. I can tell you that the majority of your MEC was willing to continue the search. Although this process has not worked so far, we are no worse off for engaging in the exercise.
 
You would have been extremely proud of our team of pilots who met at the Wye River Conference Center. These are men of honor and integrity and they are most importantly, men of their word. Their commitment to the process and to you was rock solid. Threats and intimidation attempts by some minority disenchanted MEC members and paper tigers did not sway these men of honor from pursuing the direction that the majority of the MEC had set. They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns. Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that is in separate operations with the West.
 
I thank you for your patience during the past few weeks. I know it’s been difficult. There will be other options at our disposal after the MEC gets the chance to strategize internally next week. While conditions and opportunities may change, the goal has not and our threshold for success has not. Our mission remains the same, to protect you from the damages caused by the Nicolau Award."
 
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