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From   MARTY HARPER PLLC
12817 North 14th Drive
Phoenix, Arizona 85029
46787816.6
 
 
January 21, 2014 Marty Harper
(602) 738-8007
mharperpllc@gmail.com
Via Electronic Mail
 
TO Brian O’Dwyer
 
General Counsel, USAPA
O’Dwyer & Bernstien, LLP
Paul O’Dwyer Way
52 Duane Street
New York, New York 1007
bodwyer@odblaw.com
 
Re: Seniority Integration Process
 
Brian,
 
Judge Silver’s order unequivocally finds that the certified bargaining representative for
the West Pilots, whether it be USAPA or APA, must “‘make every effort to see that [the West
Pilots’] are given extensive consideration, and that their interests are fully and fairly represented’
during seniority integration.” Order at 21:9 to 21:10 (Doc. 298). Although she narrowly found
that USAPA did not breach the duty of fair representation owed to the West Pilots in agreeing to
the MOU, she cautioned that USAPA’s current position on its ability to represent East and West
Pilots in the upcoming seniority integration process with American is “unwise” and that she has
“serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent” the West Pilots. Id. at 20-21.
 
Once again, we urge USAPA to act as a responsible union and acknowledge the inherent conflict
it has with the West Pilots on the issue of seniority. As Judge Silver clearly understood,
USAPA’s appointment of two West Pilots to its Merger Committee does not satisfy its
obligations to the West Pilots or somehow negate the inherent conflict between USAPA and the
West Pilots on the issue of seniority.
 
The West Pilots maintain, as they have since the MOU was ratified, that the only way
they can be “fully and fairly represented” in any seniority integration process is by an
independent committee of their own choosing. Judge Silver’s order establishes that this is the
only clear path forward for USAPA to avoid breaching its duty of fair representation to the West
Pilots. Indeed, any attempt to negotiate a seniority list that ignores the Nicolau Award or the
West Pilots interests thereunder would violate the extensive consideration that the West Pilots’
interests are to be afforded under McCaskill-Bond and Judge Silver’s order. As Judge Silver
cautioned USAPA back in October 2012, “[a]n impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an
appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result.” Case 2:10-cv-
01570-ROS, Doc. 193.
 
As detailed in our initial memorandum to the Court regarding McCaskill-Bond, filed last
May, the West Pilots propose that USAPA establish separate East and West merger committees
to arbitrate the seniority of former US Airways pilots. A decision by a neutral arbitrator, with
each side represented by a committee and counsel of their own choosing, is the only way for
USAPA’s to satisfy its DFR obligations to the West Pilots.
 
Accordingly, the West Pilots propose the following specifics for this arbitration:
 
1. The parties to this arbitration shall be a committee of 3 to 5 East Pilots
appointed by USAPA or the East BPR members to represent East Pilot
interests (the “East Committee”) and a committee of 3-5 pilots appointed by
the three Phoenix BPR Members – John Scherff, David Simmons and
Roger Velez to represent the West Pilot interest (the “West Committee”).
 
2. USAPA shall bear all expenses of both sides in this arbitration process
equally, including payment of the arbitrator’s fees and expenses, reasonable
attorneys’ fees, pilot flight-pay loss, and other expenses reasonably
incurred. The West Pilots have already been paying a merger surcharge on
their dues membership that would more than cover this expense.
 
3. The outcome of this arbitration shall be final and binding on all parties, and
any successors to such parties that come about through merger, change of
bargaining representative, or union election. In addition, pursuant to the
MOU, the outcome of this arbitration shall be final and binding without
being put to a ratification vote by USAPA’s membership or USAPA’s
Board of Pilot Representatives.
 
4. The arbitration ground rules shall be as follows:
 
a. Issue: “In connection with the 2005 Transition Agreement and the
McCaskill-Bond process for integration of the US Airways and
American pilots described in Paragraph 10 of the Memorandum Of
Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining
Agreement (“MOU”), shall the single integrated pilot seniority list for
the US Airways pilots (East and West) be the seniority list attached to
the Nicolau Award (as advocated by the West Committee), or shall it
be the Date-of-Hire seniority list (as advocated by the East
Committee)?”
 
b. Arbitrator’s Jurisdiction: The arbitrator’s jurisdiction shall be limited
to selecting one of the two options described in the above statement of
the issue.
 
c. Arbitration Procedures: Except as provided otherwise below, the
arbitration procedures shall be consistent, to the greatest extent
possible, with the procedures set forth in MOU Paragraph 20.
 
i. Parties/Participants: The parties shall be the West Committee,
as represented by counsel of their choice, the East Committee
as represented by counsel of their choice, and New American
to the extent that it needs to protect its rights under the TA or
the MOU. The Allied Pilots Association shall have observer
status.
 
ii. Arbitrator: As described in MOU Paragraph 20, the arbitrator
shall be Richard Bloch or Ira Jaffe, depending on who has the
earliest availability. In the event that Mr. Bloch and Mr. Jaffe
are both unable to complete such arbitration within 30 days of
agreement to this proposal, the arbitrator shall be Dana
Edward Eischen if he is available sooner than Mr. Bloch and
Mr. Jaffe.
 
iii. Arbitration Schedule: Subject to the arbitrator’s availability,
the arbitration hearing shall commence no sooner than ten (10)
days after agreement to this proposal, but as soon as possible
thereafter. The arbitrator’s decision shall be issued no later
than 30 days after the first day of hearing, unless the West
Committee, East Committee, and New American agree
otherwise.
 
iv. Final and Binding Nature of Arbitration Decision: The
arbitration decision shall be final and binding on USAPA, its
members and officers, and any successor(s) thereto, and on the
West Pilot Class, and on its and their agents. The arbitration
decision shall be final and binding on New American and any
successor(s) thereto.
 
5. The pilot seniority order decided in this arbitration shall be the seniority list
used to integrate the US Airways pilots with the American Airlines pilots
throughout the MOU seniority integration process, including drafting the
Integration Protocol, integration negotiation, and arbitration if needed, as
described in Paragraph 10 of the MOU and that, in all stages of such
negotiation and arbitration, the West Pilots shall have separate representation
of their own choosing.
 
We believe that this can happen soon after such committees are established and funded.
Given APA’s filing for single carrier status, it is in the interest of all US Airways pilots to
resolve the East/West seniority integration issue prior to APA taking over.
 
Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no
longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority
integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will
assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to
the West Pilots.
 
In sum, USAPA must accept that the time has finally come to resolve the East/West
dispute. We believe it is in the interest of all US Airways pilots, both East and West, that it
happen before APA takes over, when it will then be up to APA to resolve this issue in a fair and
equitable manner. The West Pilots, therefore, urge USAPA to proceed in the manner proposed
herein. Nothing contained in this letter is a waiver of the West Pilots’ rights to appeal Judge
Silver’s ruling.
 
We look forward to an early, positive response.
 
Very Truly Yours,
 
Marty Harper
 
This reads to me like: Ok USAPA, we know we lost, but we want you to agree that you will let us (the West) to be involved in the SLI with our lawyers and you will also agree that the Nic list will be used no matter what. And let's get this done ASPA before the APA takes over. They already filed for single carrier status, so we need to get right on this! like right now! Pretty please...
 
algflyr said:
This reads to me like: Ok USAPA, we know we lost, but we want you to agree that you will let us (the West) to be involved in the SLI with our lawyers and you will also agree that the Nic list will be used no matter what. And let's get this done ASPA before the APA takes over. They already filed for single carrier status, so we need to get right on this! like right now! Pretty please...
Nope. You've entirely misinterpreted the point. USAPA has never understood what a union is and actually does. Do you have a blended DOH list? Nope. And you never will. USAPA is already completely irrelevent. This letter is checking a box and further evidence for the future arbitration. There is a reason it hasn't been answered and it will probably be ignored because any answer is not going to reflect well upon USAPA.

Silver put a bullet into USTUPID. It's dead. Nobody cares. Everyone is just watching the NMB clock at this point. USTUPID will pull every trick imaginable to stop the single carrier determination but will be blocked every step of the way. There is nothing USAPA can do to save itself. That's the point of Silvers ruling. Cut out the cancer and let the sane continue. The Nic award still hasn't gone anywhere. You'll never erase the "powerful evidence of a fair result". Especially in front of the next arbitration panel...where you have ZERO input.

Silver simply recognized the MOU as seniority neutral...you know..how it was actually SOLD? She specifically said that seniority integration will be decided at a later date...just like USAPA said it would be,(then tried to renege again but was stopped). So here you go again to arbitration where anything can happen. There is a very real chance you're going to end up wishing you took the nic. The East was going to get 2 out of every 3 upgrades with the nic anyway. Was 3 out of every 3 worth a Billion dollars and 1/3 rd of a devalued career? Jesus Christ, talk about "Pyrrhic Victories" All that and you're still not getting anything resembling DOH...maybe worse than the nic to boot. Whatever. This forum is largely useless now. I don't need to comment on or follow how USCABA rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic. They drove their fake union straight into the iceberg all by themselves, now we watch them drown.
 
Metroyet said:
Nope. You've entirely misinterpreted the point. USAPA has never understood what a union is and actually does. Do you have a blended DOH list? Nope. And you never will. USAPA is already completely irrelevent. This letter is checking a box and further evidence for the future arbitration. There is a reason it hasn't been answered and it will probably be ignored because any answer is not going to reflect well upon USAPA.

Silver put a bullet into USTUPID. It's dead. Nobody cares. Everyone is just watching the NMB clock at this point. USTUPID will pull every trick imaginable to stop the single carrier determination but will be blocked every step of the way. There is nothing USAPA can do to save itself. That's the point of Silvers ruling. Cut out the cancer and let the sane continue. The Nic award still hasn't gone anywhere. You'll never erase the "powerful evidence of a fair result". Especially in front of the next arbitration panel...where you have ZERO input.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
))
Don Addington, et al, )
)
Plaintiffs, ) JUDGMENT IN A CIVIL CASE
)
v. ) CV 13-0471-PHX-ROS
)
US Airline Pilots Association, et al, )
)
Defendants, )
)
 
Jury Verdict. This action came before the Court for a trial by jury. The issues
have been tried and the jury has rendered its verdict.
 
XX Decision by Court. This action came for consideration before the Court. The
issues have been considered and a decision has been rendered.
IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that pursuant to the Court's Order of
January 10, 2014, judgment is hereby entered as follows: judgment in favor of
Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, judgment in favor
of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on
Count III. This action are hereby terminated.
 
January 10, 2014 BRIAN D. KARTH
Date DCE/Clerk of Court
. s/ Ruth E. Williams
By Ruth E. Williams
Deputy Clerk
 
Claxon said:
Very serious.  I will go on to say that John Scherff did take personal employee ID information from a US Airways company computer as a management pilot for US Airways, america west side of the operation and should have done jail time.  The company did an "internal investigation" similar to the alpa rice committee after the nicolau and it was inconclusive.   How convenient for the company and alpa to find themselves exonerated after their respective "in house investigations", from any responsibility for their actions.
What was done with this information? Was there credit card fraud? Who/what was damaged other than Cleary's pride?

Goodnight MIke
 
snapthis said:
What was done with this information? Was there credit card fraud? Who/what was damaged other than Cleary's pride?
Goodnight MIke
SNAPTHIS, after his kid takes a pistol to school from daddy's top drawer...
"Did anyone actually get hurt, was there any damage? So what's the problem with you people!"

Integrity First!
 
Claxon said:
SNAPTHIS, after his kid takes a pistol to school from daddy's top drawer...
"Did anyone actually get hurt, was there any damage? So what's the problem with you people!"

Integrity First!
 
I was told that USAPA would still have a seat at the table thru the MB integration. I have not read the law but I find it highly improbable that the law was written to cut out the other side.
Either way the east will be represented. Maybe we need our own LLC...
 
Claxon said:
SNAPTHIS, after his kid takes a pistol to school from daddy's top drawer...
"Did anyone actually get hurt, was there any damage? So what's the problem with you people!"

Integrity First!
 
Since the reply function is malfunctioning here is my third attempt to reply to Clax...

You know the whole ID theft thing was manufactured hysteria. You know that the only "damage" done was a series of brochures being mailed to East pilots. Cleary's desire to control the message to his minions was threatened.

In the end the accused got a paid vacation and Leonidas got $30,000 in additional funds.

The only one injured was Mike Cleary who shot himself in the foot.

Again :lol:
 
 
I was told that USAPA would still have a seat at the table thru the MB integration. I have not read the law but I find it highly improbable that the law was written to cut out the other side.
Either way the east will be represented. Maybe we need our own LLC...
Probably a good idea.

First step:

Click here to contribute 😉
 
snapthis said:
The only one injured was Mike Cleary who shot himself in the foot.Again :lol:
But he completely annihilated AOL and the little Spartans. By the way you will like our next bid, when is the next bid for PHX?
 
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