2014 Pilot Discussion

[dca319]

For all trumpeting that APA will represent ALL pilots in M/B after Single Carrier status. You might want to read what M/B says of seniority integration when both parties are represented by the same union.
I believe it says the seniority lists will be merged based upon the merger policy of said union.
Since there are no other APA unions in existense, one would assume that the APA either will merge "both" of there seniority lists ie; the legacy American list and the other new APA lists (usairways east and west, 2/combo-DOH or NIC) per there APA merger policy.
There contract calls for there seniority list to be based on DOH....
There merger policy when merging with previous carriers that had an independent union was staple to bottom of the legacy list.
They (the APA) have never merged with the APA before...
If the elect to use the staple method, which list gets stapled below which, and wouldnt the list getting stapled then be ripe for a DFR against the APA...?
Given these thoughts, it would appear the APA would be in quite a quandry if it didnt treat each list that would now be represented by APA equally. Or to make it easier, adhere to the Green Book contract....ie: wait for it............ DOH.....

That was a dumb post.

 

[dca319]

Correct!!

Usapa will be gone, and that other group...the pilots of LCC, well, we are still here.

Hey, here is another little factoid for you, that same group, well, we entered into a binding arbitration agreement, and it was the status quo at LCC prior to the merger.

That is what is meant by "final and binding". It does not go away if you change union, it does not go away period! The West will most certainly insist that the Nic is the order for the LCC pilots, and frankly, I cannot think of a single reason the east (post uscaba) can come up with for reneging.

That sounds right.

 

[luvthe9]

Well I hear the west boys on the merger committee, quit, that's to bad.

 

[Phoenix]

A contract or agreement is always subject to legal action.  Lawyers wrote the laws, so what do you expect?

Even lawyers have to follow contracts, though like Judge Silver they will all talk a good game until they have to actually do what the law requires.  
 
The real DFR standard (wide range of reasonableness) has little impact in what we are all involved in... i.e. there is virtually no chance that anyone will win a DFR....
 
Proving a contract violation would be much easier, and that will have far more meaning as we all move together as one big happy family.  The contract is the contract is the contract.  All parties will follow it to a T.   Everyone will take advantage of as much latitude as possible, but it will be followed.  

 

[Phoenix]

Well I hear the west boys on the merger committee, quit, that's to bad.

 
 
I heard the former Reno pilots quit the merger committee out of protest too, back in the day of their merger.  
 
Maybe Ferggie will make a couple extra seats on the "West Merger Committee" and pay them out of AOL donations.  
 
The longer those clowns can cause delay the better! 

 

[traderjake]

 

Well I hear the west boys on the merger committee, quit, that's to bad.

 
I hear they're joining the APA  merger committee. 😀

 

[luvthe9]

I hear they're joining the APA  merger committee. 😀

Of course you did, from Chippy's "sources" I presume.

 

[dca319]

Well I hear the west boys on the merger committee, quit, that's to bad.

 
It is.  But it hurts USAPA more than the west.  Yes, that's too bad.  Too bad for the us in the east.

 

[nycbusdriver]

...well they are just about out sympathy in the federal court system.

 
...except, of course, when it comes time for the judge to actually rule.  Seems USAPA wins everything against you morons.  I would hardly call that a lack of sympathy.

 

[dca319]

 
...except, of course, when it comes time for the judge to actually rule.  Seems USAPA wins everything against you morons.  I would hardly call that a lack of sympathy.

 
Curious as to what USAPA has actually done with those "wins".  Right now, but what I've read, we're practically begging the APA to accept our version of the protocol agreement and Parker still only has the Nicolau award.
 
How'd we win again?

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Curious as to what USAPA has actually done with those "wins".  Right now, but what I've read, we're practically begging the APA to accept our version of the protocol agreement and Parker still only has the Nicolau award.
 
How'd we win again?

 
"From what you've heard"?  Really.  Then it must be true.
 
I will notify Francis that he needs to add another book after Revelations.

 

[traderjake]

Of course you did, from Chippy's "sources" I presume.

 
As much time as you spend thinking about CM no wonder you're p*ssed all the time.

 

[Phoenix]

 
It is.  But it hurts USAPA more than the west.  Yes, that's too bad.  Too bad for the us in the east.

 
 
Ok, so the West pilots resign from the merger committee.... Let me guess.. Its a strategic move.... This will make a DFR lawsuit a slam dunk, right?  Just like voting the MOU in by 98% so you could then sue because it wasn't fair.  
 
Do you even know if Ferggie and Koontz are collecting a management fee for administering AOL?  

 

[luvthe9]

As much time as you spend thinking about CM no wonder you're p*ssed all the time.

Not pissed at all, just luv watching you make a fool of yourself worshiping your hair club for men spokesman.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Curious as to what USAPA has actually done with those "wins".  Right now, but what I've read, we're practically begging the APA to accept our version of the protocol agreement and Parker still only has the Nicolau award.
 
How'd we win again?

 
 
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