2014 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

 
 
The quote function sometimes does not work as advertised. I understand.

West pilots have thanked Ferguson and continue to do so in the form of financial support to Leonidas.

A friendly reminder what that support gives us in return. A hammer...

"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration. Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American wil assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots.
In sum, USAPA must accept that the time has finally come to resolve the East/West dispute. We believe it is in the interest of all US Airways pilots, both East and West, that it happen before APA takes over, when it will then be up to APA to resolve this issue in a fair and equitable manner. The West Pilots, therefore, urge USAPA to proceed in the manner proposed herein. Nothing contained in this letter is a waiver of the West Pilots rights to appeal Judge
Silvers ruling.
We look forward to an early, positive response.
Very Truly Yours,
Marty Harper"

Well, as the saying goes, you can't fix stupid. Have you sent in more money?

 

[Phoenix]

Let's see USAPA's list.

Let's put it up against the Nic and the courts can have something to compare.

What's the holdup?

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The next list you will get will be the total combined list of all pilots at the New American.  Anything before that will merely be barging proposals with contingencies, and no hope of a court imposing any injunctions on bargaining positions. 🙂

 

[nycbusdriver]

The exact sentiment the West, it's reps and committee members have for the SCAB union.

 
I'm not quite at that point, but I will not particularly miss USAPA.  Few on the east will mourn its loss.  It has served us well, but I suspect the APA will do a decent job, too.  

 

[nycbusdriver]

Oh, the lottery ticket myth.

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Try telling a West pilot furloughed as a result of the acquisition he won the lottery you stupid idiot.

 
"All the risk lies with the west."
 
Too bad.  So sad.

 

[EastUS1]

So Jes, on behalf of Stravers and Calveri, says they were on board? Did Stravers and Calveri testify to this fact themselves? Their resignation letter seems to indicate otherwise.

Jes must have misunderstood their position. Looks like this evidence goes right into the shitter.

 
"Jes must have misunderstood their position." Seriously? If "you'se" wish to keep advancing illiteracy or just plain stupidity as a legal "defense" for the west, well...have at it and good luck with that.

 

[dca319]

"Jes must have misunderstood their position." If "you'se" wish to keep advancing illiteracy or just plain stupidity as a legal "defense" for the west, well...have at it and good luck with that.

Well look who woke up from his drunken stupor!

Good morning sunshine.

Now babble on.

 

[EastUS1]

Well look who woke up from his drunken stupor!

Good morning sunshine.

Now babble on.

 
The irony's almost overwhelming. "You'se" do perhaps realize that lightning-like, witty riposte of yours was in response to "If "you'se" wish to keep advancing illiteracy or just plain stupidity as a legal "defense" for the west, well...have at it and good luck with that."...? 😉 You're clearly intent on maintaining that winning strategy. Thanks for the chuckles.
 
GO "spartans!" and Click to Donate!

 

[A320 Driver]

Another committee, another group of West reps that quit when they can't have their way. This isn't new. I've lost count how many West pilots have quit committees after they signed on. At one BPR meeting one of the West reps stated that they vote exactly opposite of the rest of the reps and that I should "know why". The West wants representation and then refuses to participate in any meaningful way. The Merger Committee was correct when they stated that they must represent ALL US Airways pilots and clearly the NIC does NOT do that. They needed input on how to best approach a SLI and what they ended up with was NIC or nothing. Fine.

 

[cltrat]

I've heard of the Michigan State Spartans are there an Arizona Dire Wolves?

 

[snapthis]

An East pilot blog sees the reality:

Outmaneuvered

It has been a while since TheEye has blogged, but we couldnt resist commenting on the denouement of the USAPA saga.

We encourage all US Airways and American pilots to read Judge Silvers final Order. Contrary to what Hummel and the BPR is spouting off to the east membership, it's clear that Judge Silver completely neutered USAPA. Her ruling effectively ended USAPAs participation in the upcoming seniority list integration with American. If this reality hasnt sunk in yet, we suggest you actually read Judge Silvers Order. You will read that USAPA waived their right to participate in the McCaskill-Bond process with the ratification of the MOU which requires the Allied Pilots Association (APA) to file for single carrier status within four months of the merger.

Silver stated:

As contemplated by the MOU, in the very near future an election will take place and a new representative will be chosen by all the post-merger pilots. It is almost certain USAPA will lose that election. Once that happens, USAPA will no longer be entitled to participate in the seniority integration.

With this in mind, it's laughable that the USAPA Merger Committee believes that they have any meaningful purpose. Apparently, they missed APA's filings with the NMB a few weeks ago seeking a single carrier declaration. TheEyes legal consultants believe that the NMB could rule as soon as March on the single carrier question. At that point USAPA and any other challengers will have thirty days to submit cards to force an election. At the end of thirty days (sometime in April) the APA will be the bargaining agent for all US Airways and American Airlines pilots.

We know this is contrary to what the USAPA leadership has been telling you, but rest assured, they are wrong. We had to laugh when we heard Steve Bradford telling pilots in the crew room that he believes there will be an election as many APA pilots are dissatisfied with their union.

Amazing Steve - did you not read Silvers Order where she gave the keys to the seniority integration to the APA?

The end of USAPA is almost upon us. Once they are gone, the APA will be responsible for establishing a fair process to integrate the East, West, and American lists.

USAPA - youve been outmaneuvered.
Permalink: usapawatch.com/2014/02/01/outmaneuvered.aspx

 

[EastUS1]

Amazing Steve - did you not read Silvers Order where she gave the keys to the seniority integration to the APA?

 
Indeed. Cite Silver's supposed "Order" for such nonsense, if any of "you'se" can....? This should be fun.

 

[cltrat]

I am curious what is this The Eye's qualifications to state a legal interpretation than say me or anyone else?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Let's see USAPA's list.

Let's put it up against the Nic and the courts can have something to compare.

What's the holdup?

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They already submitted it.  DOH.....dumba$$.

 

[snapthis]

Fellow Pilots,

Two members of our Merger Committee (Ken Stravers and Rocky Calveri) have submitted their resignations. I understand that despite the recent decision by the United States District Court in Phoenix, they have refused to consider any Seniority List Integration (SLI) proposal that is not based upon the Nicolau Award. That is unfortunate. The purpose of the Merger Committee is to represent all USAPA pilots and it is plain that their approach is inconsistent with that goal and USAPAs duty to all US Airways pilots.

As a result, we are seeking pilots interested in serving on the Merger Committee. If you share the goal of the remaining Merger Committee members, of a fair and equitable SLI for all USAPA pilots, then I encourage you to apply.

Anyone interested in serving on the Committee should submit a statement of interest along with their resume to officers@usairlinepilots.org not later than February 28.

Regards,

Gary Hummel, President

Translation......We are looking for West pilots to join so we have the appearance that we actually have a committee.

 

[EastUS1]

Translation......We are looking for West pilots to join so we have the appearance that we actually have a committee.

 
I'd suggest continuing to just cross your arms, pout, stick out some tongues, put up a bit of foot stomping,  and hold "you'se" breath 'till turning a dramatically deep shade of blue instead.