2014 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

I do not think this board is going to like the direction you are taking it!

Humor us. 

 

[Metroyet]

How come Leonidas spinmeisters haven't declared the latest company filing is one more sign victory is imminent, as have Nic4, MoveDca, Splinter, etc? Maybe it's hard to get the lawyer to work on weekends...

Regardless, the Nic is always just over the next hill, just like the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Really.. Just one more hill. Don't quit now.

You'll be answering this question on your own in a few months. Let me know when you've sucessfully erased the "powerful evidence of a fair result" that the Nic has provided. Also, Did APA agree to your Date of Hire staple job protocols?
 
Did your East union agree to a 3 way memorializing the Nic?
 
I wonder what the next step is...tick-tock.

 

[Claxon]

nic4us, release the hounds!
 
""ask tony anger how to handle his victimization.  tony the tbone biker thought it was a good idea to teach his daughter to hate a group of others, not for content of their individua character, but for the group they belong to.
 
Way to go tbone tony, the Christian biker.""
 
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xHUx5rdXM0Q

 

[Metroyet]

 
Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to us all how it's actually even possible to have a "3 way", if the nic's magically predetermined to be the one, true and holy list for both west and east?..Or for that matter; were ANY combined, single list presented from the USAirways side? Wouldn't that necessarily result in merely a 2 way from the very start? Methinks at least one of us is seriously unclear on the concept here. If what you're actually suggesting is that the west, if given a seat, can wave the nic as their wish list against whatever the APA fields, that's different. What would prove most amusing in such a case is what the west might then argue should be the collective USAirways placement against the APA folks. 😉
 
Feel perfectly free to now burst yet another acidic, emotional dam, and pour forth additional deluges of deranged and venomous nonsense.

Nonsense? Ask the APA. It was their initial protocol proposal that included a 3 committee negotiation/arbitration. The East can show up with their DOH list...even though 1879 were hopelessly without a job, (which you can bet will be illustrated by the West) The West shows up with a Final and  Binding award, and the APA will do whatever they think is in thier best interest. Not really all that difficult of a concept is it?

 

[Metroyet]

I'll say this...you West guys have the market cornered on drama and exaggeration. The part about inflicting damage really takes the cake...
Speaking of inflicting damage, how would you characterize the West bitterly opposing pay parity for the East when all this started out? Or offering to cross any picket line? Or telling the company you would scab any part of the East operation they desired? And you wonder why some East guys really have a problem with you?

Revisionist history. The West supported Parity...right up until the East was only concerned with destroying the West. Guess what happened to your parity support after that?

 

[Claxon]

nic4us, release the hounds!
 
""ask tony anger how to handle his victimization.  tony the tbone biker thought it was a good idea to teach his daughter to hate a group of others, not for content of their individua character, but for the group they belong to.
 
Way to go tbone tony, the Christian biker.""
 
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xHUx5rdXM0Q

nic4u,  Rebuttal time.  Your thoughts please sir?

 

[Metroyet]

USAPA has ALWAYS fairly represented the west.  The west wants MORE than fair.
 
Get over it.  The Nic isn't a player here.  If it even gets introduced, I, personally if need be, will file a DFR against whomever introduces it.

The West merger committee owes you a DFR? You've spent 1/3rd of your career paid less than a commutter turbo prop pilot to finance the jihad against the West and the DFR USAPA owes them and now you think the APA commissioned West Group...with a final and binding arbitration award in hand...owes YOU something?
 
Best of Luck. Wrap your mind around the fact that USAPA is a lame duck...dead man walking. Why would anybody invest a dime in negotiations with a defunct former bargaining agent? it's a waste of time and money. Sit tight. The APA will let you know soon enough how they will let you proceed.

 

[Claxon]

"I do not think this board is going to like the direction you are taking it!"
 
nic, hello?

 

[Claxon]

"I do not think this board is going to like the direction you are taking it!"
 
nic, hello?

Is my mike working?  testing 1 2 3, testing?

 

[Claxon]

nic4us, release the hounds!
 
""ask tony anger how to handle his victimization.  tony the tbone biker thought it was a good idea to teach his daughter to hate a group of others, not for content of their individua character, but for the group they belong to.
 
Way to go tbone tony, the Christian biker.""
 
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xHUx5rdXM0Q

Take your time nic4u, but tell tbone he crossed the line.  A supposed and claimed Christian like cacutsboy53, hypocrites.

 

[EastUS1]

Name them, so that the unwashed ignorant amongst might share in their wisdom...? 😉

Why bother? The names of those that will shut down usapa will be public knowledge soon enough.

 
Somehow, I really didn't expect your supposed mighty contacts to be available as actual people with names. Then equally; why bother striving to impress us all with "you'se" pure BS? After all: The End is near! The nic is it!..The Sky is falling!, "Billions in damages", etc.  😉

 

[algflyr]

 the APA will do whatever they think is in thier best interest. Not really all that difficult of a concept is it?

 
Well this certainly falls into the "Be careful what you wish for" category...
 
Can you explain how the APA wanting the Nic is in their best interest? They could care less about litigation, they know it's coming whatever route this process finally takes. It's probably one of the things they do best. They only care about what gives their pilots the best position on a combined seniority list... And that ain't the Nic...
 
I doubt the APA would put out an update to their pilots saying: We are sorry we gave away all the future upgrades on our widebody aircraft to very young and junior pilots from the former America West, but we were afraid they would take us to court and we would have to hire lawyers to defend our position. We would much rather hire those lawyers to fight the company for giving us cold crew meals...

 

[EastUS1]

Nonsense? Ask the APA. It was their initial protocol proposal that included a 3 committee negotiation/arbitration. The East can show up with their DOH list...even though 1879 were hopelessly without a job, (which you can bet will be illustrated by the West) The West shows up with a Final and  Binding award, and the APA will do whatever they think is in thier best interest. Not really all that difficult of a concept is it?

 
Save that should all three contingents have their own platforms, then arbitration is assured, which leaves the arbitrators free to do as they please, whatever any "spartan" assumptions are to the contrary, and "you'se" have run on nothing but assumptions since May 2007, NONE of which have played out to west liking, The west, in an arbitration scenario, is left to produce it's own group's argument alone, shout out "This is sparta!" and "The nic is it!" to your hearts content, and pray they're all three mightilly impressed by that, and simply hope they won't even glance at the current state of PHX versus the East at all, much less PHX against the APA's pilot opportunities, aircraft, etc. The west assumption here (among countless other such really) is that all arbitrators, being themselves people without egos or personal opinions naturally, will universally pay reverent homage to Mr. Nic's fine work, and not be even the least bit mindfull of why these things are no longer trusted to but one of them, and readilly embrace, without even so much as a moment's thought, a work done in 2007, but never implemented due to it's contentious results....correct? Whatever the results of such, should arbitration happen; "you'se"/none involved, would see bidding on any combined list for a long time. Was not the AWA-US, supposed "merger" not inked in 2005? And refresh our collective memories as to when the nic was finally penned..?
 
"Not really all that difficult of a concept is it?"

 

[Claxon]

change your wet panties and wait to post when the coast is clear. 
 
 
WUS!

 

[EastUS1]

West shows up with a Final and  Binding award, and the APA will do whatever they think is in thier best interest.

 
That last would be to treat all concerned as they did TWA....Yet "you'se" strangely assume the APA to be entirely unfettered in their dealings with the east group, yet somehow, magically enslaved to the whims of mighty "sparta"? Why would they possibly be? That you'll threaten litigation?...Seriously? Perhaps on the basis of your seven years of utter failure in  getting any standing court decision to actually order up the nic for you? One just couldn't make such nonsense up. 😉 I can't begin to even imagine the APA's fielding even the slightest concern for whether you throw the nic in as your side's wish list or not.