2014 Pilot Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If AAL, USAPA, and APA do not reach a Protocol Agreement because the Company and/or APA require a 3-party ISL negotiation and arbitration, if required, with the West Pilot Class having their own MC and MC Counsel, which will permit the Nicolau Award to be presented to the M-B BOA, what will USAPA do?

Acquiesce to AAL and APA's position and not reach a Protocol Agreement, which could stop the M-B process from proceeding, or something else?

What will USAPA do if no Protocol Agreement is negotiated before the NMB likely designates APA the pilot's union following SCS and then USAPA no longer represents the pre-merger US Airways pilots?

Well all great and powerful OZ, I mean ODd, don't keep us in suspense.

 

[Pi brat]

The fact that is wasn't resolved years ago has only benefitted the legal system. This whole thing has been corraled right into the APA. They don't seem to have the blood lust against the PHX pilots that your fake, failed union has in spades. Don't worry. They'll honor their DFR to you. If you don't think they have, just spend millions of dollars and a decade to see if it's true or not. Of course you'll possibly lose another Billion dollars in lost pay to enjoy your temper tantrum...that's up to you though.

How do you know it's a fake union if you don't work here? Why do you care if you don't work here? Whose water are you carrying? What did that temper tantrum cost the west?
 
This whole mess is stupid-collectively. But, each side thought they were making the best of a bad situation.
 
How are the 10 year west reserve pilots making out?

 

[traderjake]

Mike and Tracy should have never got your job back for you.

 
I thought old fat men were suppose to be jolly, you're kinda bitter. 

 

[Pi brat]

And just like that USAPA is going to court. What happened to the big steamroller? I thought APA wasn't worried about the west. Yet now you're worried about the APA.

Hey, at least we on the east have the most advancement while we wait, right. We, right? Ha!
 
How long will those 15 upgrades last you on the west? A year? You still a reserve F/O over there?

 

[Pi brat]

If AAL, USAPA, and APA do not reach a Protocol Agreement because the Company and/or APA require a 3-party ISL negotiation and arbitration, if required, with the West Pilot Class having their own MC and MC Counsel, which will permit the Nicolau Award to be presented to the M-B BOA, what will USAPA do?

Acquiesce to AAL and APA's position and not reach a Protocol Agreement, which could stop the M-B process from proceeding, or something else?

What will USAPA do if no Protocol Agreement is negotiated before the NMB likely designates APA the pilot's union following SCS and then USAPA no longer represents the pre-merger US Airways pilots?

You lost me in your "what ifs". If they acquiesce to AAL and APA, how does that stop things? What do you think will happen? And lastly, what would the USA320 pilot of 2007, that wholeheartedly supported USAPA, do?

 

[luvthe9]

I thought old fat men were suppose to be jolly, you're kinda bitter.

See your here to defend your boyfriend, we would all have been a lot more "jolly" without him.

 

[nycbusdriver]

HA!!! 90 days to a DOH contract...remember? Your little experiment has been a complete failure. Say goodbye to the top 519.

 
Complete failure?   Ask our east 10-month captains if they think it was a failure.  Thank all the new hires, who are going from indoc directly to the 767, if they think it was a failure.  Ask all the east "angry" F/Os, who are now comortably in the left seats they have earned, if they think it's a failure.  The only failures....no, a better word is LOSERS...are you obstinate jerks in the west.  How's the stagnation going?
 
Goodbye to the 519?  (It's more like 300 now.)  But who cares?  We're all left seat A330 and 767, and fences will take us to our retirement as such (which is all we ever wanted anyway.) 

 

[nycbusdriver]

The fact that is wasn't resolved years ago has only benefitted the legal system. 

 
Absolutely wrong.  It has benefitted the east pilots who have been enjoying lightning-paced upgrades since the retirements began to kick in again.  The only LOSERS are you westholes!  But scabs like you deserve it.  (And the APA knows it, too!)

 

[nycbusdriver]

If AAL, USAPA, and APA do not reach a Protocol Agreement because the Company and/or APA require a 3-party ISL negotiation and arbitration, if required, with the West Pilot Class having their own MC and MC Counsel, which will permit the Nicolau Award to be presented to the M-B BOA, what will USAPA do?

Acquiesce to AAL and APA's position and not reach a Protocol Agreement, which could stop the M-B process from proceeding, or something else?

What will USAPA do if no Protocol Agreement is negotiated before the NMB likely designates APA the pilot's union following SCS and then USAPA no longer represents the pre-merger US Airways pilots?

 
What ARE you smoking?  You know you may get tapped for a random.  Do you expect USAPA to get your job back?

 

[dca319]

I am not worried about anything but it seems your just a tad bit upset, nobody on the EAST seems to care if this drags on another 4years and 700+ retirements but you!

This isn't going to drag on.

 

[EastUS1]

I am not worried about anything but it seems your just a tad bit upset, nobody on the EAST seems to care if this drags on another 4years and 700+ retirements but you!

 
Indeed. Why should any out east be at all concerned with how long it takes? The east folks are seeing some serious advancement. The pay's no longer entirely contemptible. What possible reasons exist out east to fret over the length of the process at all? Plus; we've seen the whole merger business several times. Nothing much happens at light speed. The one notable exception being when Ed Colodny properly brought all up to the same pay scale quickly, but then he was, whatever else can be said, an apparently decent man...unlike some others. The bizarre fantasies of the "spartan" crowd merely serve to show their wholesale ignorance of how mergers generally work.

 

[algflyr]

 Your little experiment has been a complete failure. Say goodbye to the top 519.

 
Well nycbusdriver already kinda beat me to it, but we ARE saying goodbye to the top 519. They are retiring in droves and the East pilots are taking their place. I like this kind of failure by USAPA. Attrition being applied to where it properly belongs. But to be fair, the West also got to keep their attrition where it belongs, in PHX. I see there are 15 upgrades in PHX that the East has no rights too...

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

This isn't going to drag on.

I am going to luv reminding you!

 

[EastUS1]

This isn't going to drag on.

 
Then kindly lay out "you'se" expectations of events and a timetable for such. I'm sure we could all use some more good laughs. 😉 The last west contender to do so boasted that all would be done long ago, the nic would be in play, and she'd be bidding east to a 330 last fall. Whatcha' got in the way of similar fantasies "you'se" self? 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

 
Well nycbusdriver already kinda beat me to it, but we ARE saying goodbye to the top 519. They are retiring in droves and the East pilots are taking their place. I like this kind of failure by USAPA. Attrition being applied to where it properly belongs. But to be fair, the West also got to keep their attrition where it belongs, in PHX. I see there are 15 upgrades in PHX that the East has no rights too...

 
"I like this kind of failure by USAPA. Attrition being applied to where it properly belongs."  Well put sir. That's truly some serious "failure" for sure. 😉