2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

Cleary took this entire thing to the end. No Nicolau. Way better than your Ferguson did.

 
5 years of LOA 93 and still no DOH seniority list. 
 
Winning by losing, the USAPA motto.

 

[snapthis]

The court said it did not meet RICO, they also said the same named defendants could most correctly face STATE charges rather than RICO. Not racketeering, but a lessor state venue.

Why did you not pursue it?

Maybe because you lost.

Loser

 

[dfw gen]

441 pages of crying has to be a record!

 

[Phoenix]

Why did you not pursue it?

Maybe because you lost.

Loser

 
 
You said it was dismissed with prejudice.  Why don't you just admit you misrepresented it?  Your continued attempt to deflect your misrepresentation makes it appear you intended to misrepresent it.
 
You seem to be trying to deflect the fact you got caught with your integrity around your ankles.  

 

[im back..!!]

5 years of LOA 93 and still no DOH seniority list. 
 
Winning by losing, the USAPA motto.

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Uhh, i still have my date of hire, dont you?
If you really want to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.... Next time there is a bid, bid what you would hold if you were 17 years junior..... If you dont, ....Hipocrite maybe?

 

[traderjake]

Playing dumb doesn't change the fact that the West kept you from imposing a combined DOH list and on LOA 93 for 5 years.
 
Dimwit maybe?

 

[nevergiveup]

Playing dumb doesn't change the fact that the West kept you from imposing a combined DOH list and on LOA 93 for 5 years.
 
Dimwit maybe?

There was never an attempt to impose DOH. Please keep up!

 

[nevergiveup]

 
I believe we can rest assured the arbitrators know which union was formed to renege on a previous arbitration. 

And quite successfully at that, if you choose to believe it. 

 

[EastUS1]

 
5 years of LOA 93 and still no DOH seniority list. 
 
Winning by losing, the USAPA motto.

 
"Losing"...? I think "5 years of LOA 93" was a cheap price to pay to keep our junior people from a lifetime stapling under a buncha' self-styled "spartan" twits that did NOTHING to ever deserve becoming magically "senior" to them. That you were/are so very eager to throw them all under the bus, and even to this day still whine about LOA 93, isn't anyone's problem but yours...Loser.

 

[EastUS1]

Black Swan, on 06 Mar 2014 - 11:59 PM, said: Answer the question: did you or did you not factually quote the courts decision re the RICO decision?

 
snapthis: Give it up BS, you lost. Are you too stupid to figure out what everybody else knows?
 
Hmm...That reply does sound amazingly like attempted evasion, and thus a tacit admission of intentional misrepresentation snapthis....?

 

[snapthis]

You said it was dismissed with prejudice.  Why don't you just admit you misrepresented it?  Your continued attempt to deflect your misrepresentation makes it appear you intended to misrepresent it.
 
You seem to be trying to deflect the fact you got caught with your integrity around your ankles.

I'll say it again.

Dismissed with prejudice.

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July 30, 2010
Download Final ruling 4th circuit

On May 30, 2008 a RICO law suit was filed against me and 23 other America West pilots by our new union Us Airline Pilots Association. After being dismissed from federal court with prejudice without even going to trial. The case was so poor the judge would not even let them try again. USAPA than filed an appeal in the Fourth Circuit court of Appeals in Richmond.
Today 26 months later we finally have our answer. The Fourth Circuit in a unanimous decision upheld or affirmed the district court. This is a tremendous win for all of the Cactus 18 today. Hopefully this will put an end to the vicious and unfounded attack that the leadership of USAPA has aimed our way. Unfortunately I fear that this case may not be over.
USAPA is under pressure to deliver a contract and after two years of telling the pilots that we were criminals and had done something wrong. After spending upwards of $300,000.00 of pilot dues money they have nothing to show for it.
This is the response that the Communications Chairman put out after their loss.
Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond Affirms Dismissal

Today the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, issued its ruling on USAPA's appeal of the dismissal of its lawsuit brought in 2008. USAPA filed the suit, alleging violations of the RICO Statute, against certain pilots who were alleged to be engaged in an overt attempt to deny all US Airways pilots their right to collectively bargain by attempting to destroy our union and performing other harmful and destructive acts to disrupt the union’s ability to perform its representational responsibilities. The appeals court today affirmed the dismissal. Attorneys for the Association are reviewing the ruling presently for potential next steps.

Even after losing twice in two different courts in their own backyard these guys still can not admit they were wrong and let it go. The right thing to do would be to apologize and maybe even offer to pay our legal fees for this ordeal. But in typical fashion USAPA threatens to continue the attack and division.
Since this case went to appeal USAPA has been threatening to file in State court of North Carolina if we did not accept some lame settlement deal and admit quilt. It is extremely hard to admit guilt to something that none of us did. Now the courts support that truth, we did not engage in any RICO activity.
The Cactus 18 will have little choice but to defend ourselves again. But unlike last time when we had to educate our pilots on the evil that was being done and explain that we truly were innocent. This time we have the full support of the entire west pilot group and we are beginning to gather support from the east line pilot also. If the USAPA leadership decides to continue on this ill-advised campaign we will go on the offensive and counter sue.
Currently our lawyers are investigating the possibilities of legal action to recover our costs. But if USAPA decides to make the fatal mistake of filing any further legal action we will be forced to not only collect damages but punitive damages also.
A malicious intent law suit would cost this union and the people responsible a load of money.
To bring this journey to an end I want to thank the other Cactus 18 member and the AWAPPA guys. We all stuck together through some extremely critical decisions at any time any of us could have caved in to the pressure and taken a dangerous deal. But we all stuck together and rode out the storm. I would also like to thank my fellow west pilots that supported us during the case. Your words of encouragement and financial support were critical in our success. Also I would like to thank everyone that took the time to read this blog. Hopefully it explained what was going on with this case as it is difficult to do in a short amount of time.
Thank you all.

 

[EastUS1]

I'll say it again.
 

 
Black Swan, on 06 Mar 2014 - 11:59 PM, said: Answer the question: did you or did you not factually quote the courts decision re the RICO decision?
 
All that was done in reply by "you'se" there was to post yet more AOL BS/propoganda, which in no way addresses the question.

 

[luvthe9]

5 years of LOA 93 and still no DOH seniority list. 
 
Winning by losing, the USAPA motto.

I have my DOH as do you! stupid statement Traitor.

 

[luvthe9]

"Losing"...? I think "5 years of LOA 93" was a cheap price to pay to keep our junior people from a lifetime stapling under a buncha' self-styled "spartan" twits that did NOTHING to ever deserve becoming magically "senior" to them. That you were/are so very eager to throw them all under the bus, and even to this day still whine about LOA 93, isn't anyone's problem but yours...Loser.

. I agree 100% with you East, take care of our junior guys. He is a true piece of scum to screw the guys he works with.

 

[snapthis]

Reminder of the day.....Dismissed with Prejudice.
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Other than a U-sap update what has been done to deal with the pilot who denied a Jumpseat to an AA pilot? I've had some email exchanges with an AA Capt and he wants answers.

Westies are tired of answering for the actions of malcontents out East. Good thing we have P-numbers on the backs of our badges.

For example:
This guy obviously does not know who's fault the last 20 years is, or he'd be denying his OWN pilots the jumpseat, especially the thugs running the union.

I'm tired of apologizing for east pilot's douche behavior. I just tell them I'm west and they're welcome anytime.

Does this come as a surprise to anyone?

Captain's immature actions .........takes one to know one.

I only met one guy who profusely apologized for "the mess we are in and not having a contract all these years" so that must mean 99.9% are Bad Apples.

I've only had 2 East guys apologize for the RICO suit.

What is this jerks name? We can add him to our thank you list.

Sounds like a new bag tag" I'm AWA pilot, NOT A EASTIE"

FANTASTIC post Trevor! This is exactly what came to mind first, these sociopath --sadly for a LARGE part on the East-- guys are completely uninformed as to the WHY they are in everyone's target sights, and they read and believe only the diarrhea that comes from Usapa Comm's.

This East pilot jihad for DOH with all its lies and obfuscation has created a blind army of followers, slashing and burning every good thing in their sight! Theyre frikkin nuts. One day this guy MAY realize he has denied the jumpseat to what he thought was the enemy (APA) and hated Westies as the enemy only because he was used as a pawn and told lies about us. The whole time these should've been the allies. Doug helped create this monster, Usapa leadership keeps feeding it, someone needs to pull the plug.....soon

Name and number. I would love to give him a call. Along with my 1500 brothers and sisters out west

"We knew there would be disagreements regarding senority"
that's priceless....

DH and I jumpseated to LAX from MIA a few days ago on a 777. Introduced ourselves, asked for a seat, a few terse, polite exchanges were made, and somewhere in there I said "we're America West". Captain got a big grin, said "Westies!" put out his hand to shake and proceeded to welcome us aboard and get us all comfy.