2014 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

Any westies seen Nicless? I expected him to be here admitting that he was WRONG. Again.

 

[Phoenix]

 
 
 
 
You got the wrong guy, my $675 went to Alex Jones for the tee shirt.
 
http://infowarsshop.3dcartstores.com/?ims=fvhim

 
 
You should have bought the T-Shirt for $25 and bought a Glock with the rest.  

 

[traderjake]

 
 
You should have bought the T-Shirt for $25 and bought a Glock with the rest.  

 

 
I love my Glock.
 
I just wish I had gotten one with a longer barrel. 

 

[algflyr]

The minute USCABA dies they have no right whatsoever to a dime of any dues money. Your group is far too stupid to not attempt the theft though.

 
Unless of course once the APA becomes the union, they take over everything except representing the US Airways pilots during the SLI. Then I would say USAPA would have a right to all dues collected up until that point, and at least a portion of them until the SLI is completed.
 
I often wonder why the company insists on certain contractual language. Most of the time it's because they have good lawyers who know how things really happen despite what is said or threatened by either party.
 
This little excerpt from the MOU seems like on of those... It comes in paragraph 5 of the MOU. Paragraph 5 deals with the company working with both USAPA and the APA until the NMB declares one union. Then it says once the NMB certifies ONE union (We all know that will be the APA), then "At that time, the duly-certified representative shall have exclusive authority to negotiate on behalf of the pilots with respect to the JCBA."
 
Why would they put that language in there?
 
I mean if it's true that USAPA completely goes away even for SLI, certainly there would be no need to include language that specifies "with respect to the JCBA". I mean the APA would control everything. Or would they? Perhaps the company realizes that USAPA will still have a small role (SLI) once the APA takes over... 
 
​How do you interpret paragraph 5?

 

[Res Judicata]

Unless of course once the APA becomes the union, they take over everything except representing the US Airways pilots during the SLI. Then I would say USAPA would have a right to all dues collected up until that point, and at least a portion of them until the SLI is completed.
 
I often wonder why the company insists on certain contractual language. Most of the time it's because they have good lawyers who know how things really happen despite what is said or threatened by either party.
 
This little excerpt from the MOU seems like on of those... It comes in paragraph 5 of the MOU. Paragraph 5 deals with the company working with both USAPA and the APA until the NMB declares one union. Then it says once the NMB certifies ONE union (We all know that will be the APA), then "At that time, the duly-certified representative shall have exclusive authority to negotiate on behalf of the pilots with respect to the JCBA."
 
Why would they put that language in there?
 
I mean if it's true that USAPA completely goes away even for SLI, certainly there would be no need to include language that specifies "with respect to the JCBA". I mean the APA would control everything. Or would they? Perhaps the company realizes that USAPA will still have a small role (SLI) once the APA takes over... 
 
​How do you interpret paragraph 5?

ALPA disappeared immediately. So will USAPA. The MOU doesn't trump RLA and you can bet the company, the APA, and the west will completely ignore any assertions otherwise. Better form that LLC.

 

[algflyr]

ALPA disappeared immediately. So will USAPA. The MOU doesn't trump RLA and you can bet the company, the APA, and the west will completely ignore any assertions otherwise. Better form that LLC.

 
Ok, thanks. Care to add your hypothesis as to why that specific language is in paragraph 5?

 

[A320 Driver]

 

 
I love my Glock.
 
I just wish I had gotten one with a longer barrel. 

Right on Marshall Dillon...

 

[Res Judicata]

Ok, thanks. Care to add your hypothesis as to why that specific language is in paragraph 5?

Who cares? As much as you dismiss Judge Silvers unambiguous ruling, it entirely removed USCABA after scs. She obviously knows exactly what your little fake union is all about and wiped you out. Don't worry, you're owed a DFR and you'll get it. APA isn't nearly as stupid as your soon to be former bargaining agent.

 

[electricjet98]

Unless of course once the APA becomes the union, they take over everything except representing the US Airways pilots during the SLI. Then I would say USAPA would have a right to all dues collected up until that point, and at least a portion of them until the SLI is completed.
 
I often wonder why the company insists on certain contractual language. Most of the time it's because they have good lawyers who know how things really happen despite what is said or threatened by either party.
 
This little excerpt from the MOU seems like on of those... It comes in paragraph 5 of the MOU. Paragraph 5 deals with the company working with both USAPA and the APA until the NMB declares one union. Then it says once the NMB certifies ONE union (We all know that will be the APA), then "At that time, the duly-certified representative shall have exclusive authority to negotiate on behalf of the pilots with respect to the JCBA."
 
Why would they put that language in there?
 
I mean if it's true that USAPA completely goes away even for SLI, certainly there would be no need to include language that specifies "with respect to the JCBA". I mean the APA would control everything. Or would they? Perhaps the company realizes that USAPA will still have a small role (SLI) once the APA takes over... 
 
​How do you interpret paragraph 5?

Perhaps the "need" was to not make it so obvious that USAPA goes away? If the language had specifically spelled it out and that APA would assume DFR for all pilots...would the east pilots have still voted for it knowing that their withholding of DFR to west pilots would then end?

If we assume for a brief moment of time your hypothesis that USAPA maintains "some" representational status during the SLI process; to whom do they hold a DFR to? More importantly, how would any party that they hold a DFR to, seek redress for any failure of this representation?

 

[luvthe9]

REMOVE MY NAME IF YOU DECIDE TO FORWARD

-----Original Message-----
From: Cactuswest [mailto:cactuswest@me.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:47 PM
To: Board of Pilot Representatives; Officers
Subject: Amendment

In your face, from the West.

I remember Crimi, the union buster, who boasted, "we don't need the West"

We, the West, defeated your amendment. That, the Nic who will be shoved up your collective sorry asses soon and the irremediable death of usapa within a few weeks.
The future is bright.

I am laughing out loud In anticipation of usapa climbing back down into the **** hole it came from. This will be a great day for labor and the aviation community at large.

Nonetheless I must admit you guys know how to bend metal like no other. We rookies have very little experience with that.

With disrespect.

Captain Brice LeCarre
AMERICAN AIRLINES.

 

[electricjet98]

REMOVE MY NAME IF YOU DECIDE TO FORWARD

-----Original Message-----
From: Cactuswest [mailto:cactuswest@me.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:47 PM
To: Board of Pilot Representatives; Officers
Subject: Amendment

In your face, from the West.

I remember Crimi, the union buster, who boasted, "we don't need the West"

We, the West, defeated your amendment. That, the Nic who will be shoved up your collective sorry asses soon and the irremediable death of usapa within a few weeks.
The future is bright.

I am laughing out loud In anticipation of usapa climbing back down into the #### hole it came from. This will be a great day for labor and the aviation community at large.

Nonetheless I must admit you guys know how to bend metal like no other. We rookies have very little experience with that.

With disrespect.

Captain Brice LeCarre
AMERICAN AIRLINES.

A USAPA member's opinion that he has every right to voice. While some may think it doesn't reflect well on the individual member...how does it reflect on the elected BPR member that failed to honor his request of not removing his name?

 

[traderjake]

 

 
 
Looks like Hummel, who luvthe9 and his pals couldn't recall, will decide when the plug gets pulled on USAPA.  

 

[Res Judicata]

REMOVE MY NAME IF YOU DECIDE TO FORWARD
-----Original Message-----
From: Cactuswest [mailto:cactuswest@me.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:47 PM
To: Board of Pilot Representatives; Officers
Subject: Amendment
In your face, from the West.
I remember Crimi, the union buster, who boasted, "we don't need the West"
We, the West, defeated your amendment. That, the Nic who will be shoved up your collective sorry asses soon and the irremediable death of usapa within a few weeks.
The future is bright.
I am laughing out loud In anticipation of usapa climbing back down into the #### hole it came from. This will be a great day for labor and the aviation community at large.
Nonetheless I must admit you guys know how to bend metal like no other. We rookies have very little experience with that.
With disrespect.
Captain Brice LeCarre
AMERICAN AIRLINES.

And? Isn't this common knowledge?

 

[Phoenix]

A USAPA member's opinion that he has every right to voice. While some may think it doesn't reflect well on the individual member...how does it reflect on the elected BPR member that failed to honor his request of not removing his name?

 
 
He sent it to all the BPRs and Officers... and nothing in his email appears to me that he voiced any concern about it being forwarded.  "remove my name" was not part of the original message... it was obviously part of the forward message. 
 
At any rate, now we have a candidate for Nic, Rez, Metro, Uhaul, etc.  

 

[Phoenix]

A USAPA member's opinion that he has every right to voice. While some may think it doesn't reflect well on the individual member...how does it reflect on the elected BPR member that failed to honor his request of not removing his name?

 
We all believe in the 1st Amendment, Freedom of Speech, and all that....
 
Writing an e-mail is easy and doesn't cost anything.  What we want to know... Did he plop down $675 for a Liberty Neck Tie.  That would be commendable! 😀
 
Prove yourself and do the hard thing!  http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/libertynecktie.html  Buy two!
 
Set up a "selfie Page" on Cactuspilot.com so everyone can prove their devotion.