2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

 
The West will have a seat on the table because APA and the Company want it.
 
USAPA and Gary will be gone soon.
 
Your fear of the West presenting their case in a fair and enforcable arbitration is noted.

 
 
The company and the APA want it.  That is rich.  
 
want

wänt,wônt/

verb
 

1. 
    
   
   
   have a desire to possess or do (something); wish for.
   "I want an apple"
   synonyms: desire, wish for, hope for, aspire to, fancy, care for, like; More
   
   
    
    
   
   
   
   
   
   
    
   
   
   
   
2. 
   
   archaic
   lack or be short of something desirable or essential.
   "you shall want for nothing while you are with me"
   
   

 

[Phoenix]

What did you win? Just because you've been able to make a royal mess of everything a union is supposed to be doesn't mean you've been successful at anything real. How many lawsuits is USAPA juggling now? When have they EVER not been up to their eyeballs in legal trouble? The APA got you a raise and USAPA got you 5 more years of loa93. No matter what you do, you'll never convince anyone that the us air AWA merger ever took place. You're so focused on the result of SLI, you've completely ignored the process which is why you've paid dearly to get nowhere. Gloat all you want, but most people understand USAPA has "won" themselves straight into oblivion.

 
 
I hear Phoenix is beautiful this time of year.  You should go ride a bike.  It will be too hot soon.

 

[snapthis]

Snapthis,
 
Putting all our east and west crap aside,  you do realize that the APA's sole job right now is to put as many Usairways pilots below their pilots as they possibly can (east and west).    If you have not figured out that basic item of merger 101 yet then you are in for a rude awakening in the near future. 
 
   

 
 

 

 
 


He did not ask you a question.  He made a statement.  You may need help after all.  Besides, was I talking to him, or you. 😉

 

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So enlightening.
 
Were his words directed at.....
 
A:  Snapthis
or
B:  Phoenix
 
Think hard, two choices, put that public education to good use. 😉

 

[Phoenix]

 
 

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So enlightening.
 
Were his words directed at.....
 
A:  Snapthis
or
B:  Phoenix
 
Think hard, two choices, put that public education to good use. 😉

 
 
I'm not surprised you went to private school.  They too sell overpriced ties as part of their uniform.  😀

 

[USA320Pilot]

Is USAPA Seeking to Repudiate the MOU Seniority-Integration Process in its Entirety? 

Gary Hummel said: On February 21, 2014 in a President's Update Gary Hummel said, "The McCaskill-Bond law will govern seniority integrations for the American/US Airways merger and the law memorializes sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny Mohawk LLPs. .Although the procedures of the McCaskill-Bond legislation are in place, the Company and APA appear to be attempting to accelerate the NMB procedures for determining the bargaining representative of the pilots in order to subvert the authority of USAPA in the seniority integration process. In doing so APA is asserting that once it becomes the bargaining representative for all of our pilots, it will have the right to control the process and the merger committee that will represent the USAPA pilots in the arbitration."

"For this reason, your union filed a request yesterday with the NMB for a list of arbitrators under section 13(a) of the Allegheny-Mohawk LLPs. This provision provides that when a dispute or controversy cannot be settled by the affected parties within 20 days, either party may refer it to an arbitrator selected from a panel of seven names furnished by the NMB. The parties involved select the arbitrator by alternately striking names until one remains. The selected arbitrator must render a decision within 90 days unless the parties agree to extend that time limit. Invoking this process will ensure USAPA’s Merger Committee can represent you through the seniority integration process," Hummel noted.

American Airlines Group said: The Company told the D.C. Court hearing USAPA M-B complaint that “By its Complaint in this action and by unilaterally seeking a list of arbitrators from the NMB in furtherance of its scheme to expedite the arbitration hearing before a single arbitrator, USAPA has definitively expressed its intention not to be bound by the terms of the MOU Seniority-Integration Process as an ‘alternative method for dispute settlement’ under Section 13(b) of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs. By filing the instant factually and legally meritless Complaint, in which it seeks to repudiate the MOU Seniority-Integration Process in its entirety, USAPA has violated its duty under Section 2, First, of the RLA to ‘exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements’ (emphasis added), in particular, MOU Paragraph 10. US Airways has already been harmed by USAPA’s disregard and repudiation of the MOU Seniority-Integration Process arbitrator-selection procedure, and will be further and substantially injured if USAPA is permitted to repudiate its other contractual obligations under the MOU Seniority-Integration Process.”

USA320Pilot asks: What's the true story here? Why do we have two totally different arguments and positions on this critical point? Whose providing misleading comments? USAPA in an update to the pilots or AAG in sworn testimony in federal court?

How come the pilots never seem to get straight information?

 

[PullUp]

How come the pilots never seem to get straight information?

Because the lawyers are running the show.

 

[A320 Driver]

Because the lawyers are running the show.

Lawyers or Investment Bankers...doesn't seem to matter. Their pockets get filled to overflowing and ours get picked.

 

[traderjake]

The company and the APA want it.  That is rich.

 
The company and APA will take the path that exposes them to the least liability, that means a West MC.
 
USAPA will be gone replaced by an East APA MC.

 

[snapthis]

 
 
I'm not surprised you went to private school.  They too sell overpriced ties as part of their uniform.   😀

 
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[Claxon]

EOA was that kid who always sat at the lunch table by himself. A lunchbox covered with purple turtles. He tries sooo hard to fit in. When you can't fit in, become an Usapian!
 

Yes, just like Bill Gates and Elon Musk. Then they own you.

 

[end_of_alpa]

You're so blinded by hatred it's unbelievable. As a founder of USAPA, You're the prime example of how seriously you've taken USAPAS DFR to the West. USAPA is organized crime and Silver ordered you out of existence. You're only recourse is to the 9th. We all know where USAPA will be long before that happens...hanging out with MH370 utterly lost in the dark.

Blinded by hatred? Coming from you that makes me the epitome of virtue. You and your Westicle cult are the ONLY reason you DFR YOURSELVES. All the while you get to rot in PHX. Glad you enjoy it ,,,,,, SCAB!

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
EOA was that kid who always sat at the lunch table by himself. A lunchbox covered with purple turtles. He tries sooo hard to fit in. When you can't fit in, become an Usapian!
 

Yeah.  Like I'm the one ostracized to PHX!  We're still SENIOR to you chump.

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
The company and APA will take the path that exposes them to the least liability, that means a West MC.
 
USAPA will be gone replaced by an East APA MC.

By taking the tack they have has actually exposed them to MORE liability.  Three LOST lawsuits, an NMB challenge AND a lawsuit in DC.  Just wait for it Dan....it's coming and they won't like it.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Don't shoot the messenger. I am only relating what I read in some guidelines for arbitration that seem to be the present day footprint for how they are ruling. It is heavily weighted towards earnings rather than attrition or career expectations.
 
No, not many brains on any side as far as I can tell.

If you can point me to those "guidelines for arbitration" and'or the "present day footprint" I'll discuss it.

 

[end_of_alpa]

No olive branches in there... B)

There's the TRUTH of it.