2014 Pilot Discussion

[Zone5]

I think they are going to make things perfectly clear. They know the history on the crap about this case that continues to spin around the AZ courts and into their laps again. They seemed to enjoy spanking Wake. Maybe they will put it to rest this time with a real nice write up since the AZ judges can't seem to figure out
labor law.
Bottom line- I personally hope this keeps separate ops for five more years.
 
 
I'm with you brother!  There is absolutely NOTHING in PHX that I have any desire for.  Let them stay holed up in the desert for another 5 years.  Gets me to retirement and then I could not care less what they do.
 
 
seajay 

 

[Freighterguynow]

I'll see your 5 and raise you 1 Sir.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think they are going to make things perfectly clear. 

 
Well, that would be a first for federal judges.
 
But I am not optimistic that they will clear anything up.  If they even hear it, they will probably uphold Silver's ruling, and will totally ignore the dicta.  One judge may dissent, and he/she will come up with comments that set the westicles off on yet another impossible dream.

 

[EastUS1]

 

I think they are going to make things perfectly clear. They know the history on the crap about this case that continues to spin around the AZ courts and into their laps again. They seemed to enjoy spanking Wake. Maybe they will put it to rest this time with a real nice write up since the AZ judges can't seem to figure out
labor law.
Bottom line- I personally hope this keeps separate ops for five more years.
 
 
I'm with you brother!  There is absolutely NOTHING in PHX that I have any desire for.  Let them stay holed up in the desert for another 5 years.  Gets me to retirement and then I could not care less what they do.
 
 
seajay 

 

 
Black Swan/Seajay: That'd work for me, and those of us exiting in that time frame can do so knowing we didn't sell out our junior coworkers of many years.
 
This whole thing's become an exercise in comical absurdity. We have the mighty "army" of the west insisting that the company has been terrified to do anything without final court blessings, but yet somehow imagines that the APA (their newfound-best-friends-forever) will act in a manner that instantly dissolves usapa, and thus magically removes MBond and all threat of litigation from the east, as if nobody would then continue the legal process that the company's so anxious over?...And yet the APA has mysterious, "dire" fears solely over "spartan" litigation, and will of course, somehow successfully demolish an actual union prior to SLI, but ensure that the west is both feared and worshipped? Whew! You just couldn't make this stuff up!...Seriously! Lawyers must be laughing everywhere....
 
To the west: Have fun in PHX. "You'se" ain't escaping it anytime soon, no matter what else is true here.

 

[luvthe9]

Black Swan/Seajay: That'd work for me, and those of us exiting in that time frame can do so knowing we didn't sell out our juniors.
 
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AMEN to that!!!!

 

[luvthe9]

 One judge may dissent, and he/she will come up with comments that set the westicles off on yet another impossible dream.

Does this mean the price of the 675 dollar tie is going to go up?

 

[Claxon]

"Labor relations is like Geology, just the study of pressure and time....all it takes, is pressure and time......."
Mike Cleary, quoted regarding the defeat of Leonidas

 

[EastUS1]

Does this mean the price of the 675 dollar tie is going to go up?

 
Given the usual demise of their even most recent fantasies: Rumor has it that their "army" is now busy designing a $1,000 "liberty" codpiece for wear with the "spartan" dress "uniform". 😉 I heard the new design will contain two dime-sized "shields of leonidas" and a tiny saguaro cactus. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

 
I would not count on the appeals court being very clear about anything.  I certainly doubt they will rule on Silver's dicta.  The might rule on Silver's actual ruling, but, if anything, they will probably confuse the entire thing even more with their own dicta and minority opinions (if any).
 
My bet is that they will take 18 months to turn the murky waters completely muddy.

 
That's pretty much my guess as well nyc, if they even hear the matter at all. It'd be really nice if we're proven wrong though. A decisive ruling would diminish my cynical-old-fart-factor, at least a bit. 😉

 

[Claxon]

Does this mean the price of the 675 dollar tie is going to go up?

"If you let them buy (the west guys) enough ties, they will hang themselves."
 
paraphrasing   

 

[mrbreeze]

Hey Snap....
 
How come USAPA has posted the Leospanker Notice of Appeal in the Legal Library, but Cactuspilot.com doesn't even have it posted yet on their own website?  And no meet and great scheduled to celebrate?   What gives?  If I buy a Liberty Necktie can you guys hire a new webmaster that can keep up?  

Why pay someone to be their webmaster? I'm sure Chip is wringing his hands, hoping they will call him.
breeze

 

[Claxon]

"USAPA contends, inter alia, that the district court never had jurisdiction because
the West Pilots’ claim is not ripe. We agree."
 
9th Circuit Court of Appeals, June 2010 
 
Look for the 9th to return to sender

 

[Claxon]

 
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will receive notice that your case has been put on a hearing calendar.
 
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[Claxon]

 

[EastUS1]

Why pay someone to be their webmaster? I'm sure Chip is wringing his hands, hoping they will call him.
breeze

 
Hmm....Difficult to say breeze. For all we know; he's backed-up with offers for more hair plug commercials, and may have precious little time to continue playing the role of court-jester/hapless-village-idiot online....Just kidding about that last part at least. 😉
 
I can easily summarize all past and future postings from that esteemed intellect though:
 
1) The Sky is Falling!!!....Always!!!
 
2)  Wholesale and immediate surrender to anyone anywhere and at any time is ALWAYS the ONLY "reasonable" option!!!
 
3) See 1) and 2) above. Rinse and repeat as deemed needed. If more is ever required; just try imagine chip actually shedding crocodile tears and literally muttering "armageddon!...armagadon!" when considering even just the ""implications of even so much as a banckruptcy filing by the company.  🙂