6-month Personal Leaves of Absence Proffered

[eolesen]

We're talking about flight attendants, Bob. Your claim of 90% recall rejection rate for AMT's has already been debunked for FA's, who have something like a >90% recall acceptance rate.

 

[nbmcg01]

We're talking about flight attendants, Bob. Your claim of 90% recall rejection rate for AMT's has already been debunked for FA's, who have something like a >90% recall acceptance rate.

There are several factors involved in the high return numbers:
1. Many of our people wanted to have the CHOICE of when they left their chosen career.
2. Many like the lifestyle. No cube farms for us.
3. Our retirement is screwed no matter how you look at it..Many are trying to recoop something.
4. You're now getting into the people that were too young to retire prior to the furlough. AA requires return and completed training to retire.
5. Contrary to the tales of woe, flying is fun and a no brainer. (Especially when you've worked in the "real world" for a while).
6. These folks have been in the industry a minimum of 25 years. There is a certain amt. of jet fuel that seeps into your blood.
7. We are at the top of the pay scale. Even with multiple degrees, many have had to start new careers at lower pay. In this job market many HR depts. are taking advantage of the numerous out of work and lowballing salary offers. I worry about those who have been recalled several times. If there is another furlough how many employers will take folks back a third time?
8. AA cannot hire until the furlough list is cleared. It will be less expensive to offer leaves to the higher paid and pay new hires to fly. It is too bad AA-APFA has not negotiated a more "friendly" LOA policy. No one should lose any seniority of any type if they take a leave to save a job.

 

[Maark767]

There are several factors involved in the high return numbers:
1. Many of our people wanted to have the CHOICE of when they left their chosen career.
2. Many like the lifestyle. No cube farms for us.
3. Our retirement is screwed no matter how you look at it..Many are trying to recoop something.
4. You're now getting into the people that were too young to retire prior to the furlough. AA requires return and completed training to retire.
5. Contrary to the tales of woe, flying is fun and a no brainer. (Especially when you've worked in the "real world" for a while).
6. These folks have been in the industry a minimum of 25 years. There is a certain amt. of jet fuel that seeps into your blood.
7. We are at the top of the pay scale. Even with multiple degrees, many have had to start new careers at lower pay. In this job market many HR depts. are taking advantage of the numerous out of work and lowballing salary offers. I worry about those who have been recalled several times. If there is another furlough how many employers will take folks back a third time?
8. AA cannot hire until the furlough list is cleared. It will be less expensive to offer leaves to the higher paid and pay new hires to fly. It is too bad AA-APFA has not negotiated a more "friendly" LOA policy. No one should lose any seniority of any type if they take a leave to save a job.

AA very rarely negotiates anything that does not benefit the company.... Haven't you learned that by now.....
AA gives as little as possible.

 

[nbmcg01]

AA very rarely negotiates anything that does not benefit the company.... Haven't you learned that by now.....
AA gives as little as possible.

My point exactly...AA wants to hire.

 

[kirkpatrick]

When they offered unlimited recall a few weeks ago, instead of hiring FSD's?...

This was not done out of the goodness of their hearts, but to enable them to get what they wanted - Chinese speakers on a flight to China. As with any agreement, they had to give a little to get a little.

I've seen AA carry headcount for a quarter instead of laying off on several occasions. Sometimes the layoffs still had to happen, but at least they didn't just cut first and ask questions later...

I agree that they don't furlough indiscriminately. They have a number of ways of tweaking on a monthly basis to take care of excess. Bid leaves, minileaves, PVD's, green lights on trips. This last one is especially effective. By allowing an FA to drop a trip into open time when reserves aren't being fully utilized, they save paying the original FA and fly the reserve who's getting 75 hrs anyway.

The bottom line is, we're just not that expensive a work group.

MK

 

[Maark767]

This was not done out of the goodness of their hearts, but to enable them to get what they wanted - Chinese speakers on a flight to China. As with any agreement, they had to give a little to get a little.


I agree that they don't furlough indiscriminately. They have a number of ways of tweaking on a monthly basis to take care of excess. Bid leaves, minileaves, PVD's, green lights on trips. This last one is especially effective. By allowing an FA to drop a trip into open time when reserves aren't being fully utilized, they save paying the original FA and fly the reserve who's getting 75 hrs anyway.

The bottom line is, we're just not that expensive a work group.

MK

Good points....