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scorpion

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I was told at work last night that AA was interviewing for positions in finance. This is a no #@$% true story. A guy i've known and worked with for 17 years said his daughters boyfriend turned down an interview with AA here in Tulsa just this week. Is AA padding the deck to protect the core management personnel? There were rumors of this happening the last time. It looks good for the unions and the media when management takes a hit but lets not tell the part where they hired people just for the purpose of falling on the sword.

Just curious if anyone else has heard stories like this?
 
At our station, a bunch of low pay clerks were layed off, but they were trumpeted as "management" layoffs.

A little later, the wife of one of upper management was hired to replace one of the clerks.
 
scorpion said:
I was told at work last night that AA was interviewing for positions in finance. This is a no #@$% true story. A guy i've known and worked with for 17 years said his daughters boyfriend turned down an interview with AA here in Tulsa just this week. Is AA padding the deck to protect the core management personnel? There were rumors of this happening the last time. It looks good for the unions and the media when management takes a hit but lets not tell the part where they hired people just for the purpose of falling on the sword.

Just curious if anyone else has heard stories like this?
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Great conspiracy theory, but quite unlikely that anyone could get away with hiring someone new just to furlough them. I've watched management layoffs for the past 10 years, and have never seen anything even close to that.

The only external hiring going on right now for management is to fill positions which won't be eliminated in a layoff, and hiring from outside requires exec committe (Arpey and his SVPs) approval. It's been that way for over a year.
 
Former ModerAAtor said:
Great conspiracy theory, but quite unlikely that anyone could get away with hiring someone new just to furlough them. I've watched management layoffs for the past 10 years, and have never seen anything even close to that.

The only external hiring going on right now for management is to fill positions which won't be eliminated in a layoff, and hiring from outside requires exec committe (Arpey and his SVPs) approval. It's been that way for over a year.
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does that also go for the level 6 just hired in tulsa off the street to head up the C.I. program? this company continues to waste money while its bleeding red and ask for its employees too" pull together win together" we see the daily shell game played out on a contious path with no body held accountable, wake up ARPEY your employee morale is catching up with usair and if you dare to come for more concessions prepare for the same outcome.
 
In the last round my dept lost 8- 10 people (been a while). We have brought in a few new folks (from with in the company) to fill the vacancies but we are still under staffed. The will more than likely collapse some of the existing desk and distribute the work load. And I don’t know why everyone thinks we did not take a cut like everyone else. My check is noticeably smaller and I did not receive a raise for 4 years till this 1.5% thing a few months ago. And now they are looking to give another hit. We have given our fair share as well.

Never ceases to amaze me that people always think it is just happening to them.
 
Just curious if anyone else has heard stories like this?

There not stories, its the truth. What you have to understand is that in some positions AA is losing people faster than it can replace them. AA is not adding financial analyst positions just attempting to replace the people that are leaving.

Just because the company has to lay off people in one area doesn't mean that it has excess everywhere. You also can't just move a mechanic into a financial analyst position.

You guys talk about morale being low, well its not just union worker morale that is low, its management morale as well. The reason its low is because everyone is doing about twice as much work for less may than they were a couple of years ago. Unlike union workers, most good management employees have options elsewhere and if you don't replace people and continue to pile on work for the people you still have more people leave. It snowballs until the only people left are the crappy employees that don't have anywhere else to go or you continue to hire new people.
 
AA is constantly hiring management/professional employees. Currently, the public website lists 18 openings:


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 10/22/2004  Customer Service Manager - Philadelphia, PA   US - Pennsylvania  Full-time  
 10/22/2004  Mechanical/Aeronautical Engineer - Tulsa OK/Fort Worth TX   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/22/2004  Electrical Engineer - Tulsa OK/Fort Worth, TX   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/21/2004  Commodity Manager - Tulsa OK   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/21/2004  Supply Chain Manager - Dallas/Fort Worth   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/19/2004  Analyst Finance - Tulsa, OK   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/19/2004  Telephony Architect - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/19/2004  IT Security - Privacy Specialist - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/18/2004  Accounting/Finance Analyst - Miami - Flight Priviledges   US - Florida  Full-time  
 10/15/2004  AA Publishing Nat'l Account Mgr - Dallas   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/15/2004  Corporate Accounting Analyst - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/14/2004  Safety Engineer - Tulsa   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/13/2004  Sr Analyst Tax-Property - Dallas   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/13/2004  J2EE Developer - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/07/2004  Commodity Managers - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 09/29/2004  AA.com J2EE Tech Leads - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 09/24/2004  Account Sales Development Manager - New York City   US - New York  Full-time  
 09/20/2004  Financial Auditors - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time


http://www.aacareers.com/us/frame_index.ht.../us/index.shtml

My guess is that many of these positions opened up because the incumbents bailed out; the prospect of working for a company not teetering on bankruptcy (probably for more money than AA was paying) was probably too attractive an option to pass up. I can't blame them.
 
FWAAA said:
AA is constantly hiring management/professional employees. Currently, the public website lists 18 openings:
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 10/22/2004  Customer Service Manager - Philadelphia, PA   US - Pennsylvania  Full-time  
 10/22/2004  Mechanical/Aeronautical Engineer - Tulsa OK/Fort Worth TX   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/22/2004  Electrical Engineer - Tulsa OK/Fort Worth, TX   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/21/2004  Commodity Manager - Tulsa OK   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/21/2004  Supply Chain Manager - Dallas/Fort Worth   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/19/2004  Analyst Finance - Tulsa, OK   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/19/2004  Telephony Architect - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/19/2004  IT Security - Privacy Specialist - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/18/2004  Accounting/Finance Analyst - Miami - Flight Priviledges   US - Florida  Full-time  
 10/15/2004  AA Publishing Nat'l Account Mgr - Dallas   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/15/2004  Corporate Accounting Analyst - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/14/2004  Safety Engineer - Tulsa   US - Oklahoma  Full-time  
 10/13/2004  Sr Analyst Tax-Property - Dallas   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/13/2004  J2EE Developer - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 10/07/2004  Commodity Managers - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 09/29/2004  AA.com J2EE Tech Leads - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time  
 09/24/2004  Account Sales Development Manager - New York City   US - New York  Full-time  
 09/20/2004  Financial Auditors - DFW   US - Texas  Full-time
http://www.aacareers.com/us/frame_index.ht.../us/index.shtml

My guess is that many of these positions opened up because the incumbents bailed out; the prospect of working for a company not teetering on bankruptcy (probably for more money than AA was paying) was probably too attractive an option to pass up. I can't blame them.
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FWAAA thanks for the informative post. My coworker said he was going to quiz his possible future son inlaw to find out more details. He did say that the young man excepted an interview with Bank of Oklahoma, I'd say a wise choice.

ModerAAtor i'm not sure where you get off but if Arpey okay'ed the hiring of the new manager over stock clerks we're in trouble. This man was supposedly hired because he was a CI guru, this CI crap has pretty much shut down parts of the maintenance operation in Tulsa. Constant Improvement is a catchy slogan but if the people in the specific shops are'nt involved it won't work. Whether people are being hired in Tulsa to fluff the deck, because of CI positions, or whatever, its going on.............
 
scorpion said:
ModerAAtor i'm not sure where you get off but if Arpey okay'ed the hiring of the new manager over stock clerks we're in trouble. This man was supposedly hired because he was a CI guru, this CI crap has pretty much shut down parts of the maintenance operation in Tulsa.
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EC is approving the positions, not necessarily the individuals.

I'd be willing to bet my pay raises over the past five years (which is still a negative number...) that the CI process (Six Sigma) is here to stay. It won't fix things overnight, but if you believe what it has done for companies like GE with huge production capabilities, it's worth the initial pain.
 
Former ModerAAtor said:
EC is approving the positions, not necessarily the individuals.

I'd be willing to bet my pay raises over the past five years (which is still a negative number...) that the CI process (Six Sigma) is here to stay. It won't fix things overnight, but if you believe what it has done for companies like GE with huge production capabilities, it's worth the initial pain.
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CI has never been tried in an overhaul facility. Manufacturing is a complete different ballgame from overhaul so at this point its all experimental at Tulsa. Some parts will fit into a particular pattern of maintenance requirements and be able to flow with a certain predictability but not all. There's merit in the program but its not gonna save the day.