AA to lose MIA-CWB, VCP, FRA

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Mark, just pointing out that the new JFK-LHR service will be a morning departure.

+1

 

[WorldTraveler]

here is airline route's post on the MIA - Brazil changes... they just post published schedule data.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/14/aa-poavcp-feb16/

Miami – Porto Alegre 4 weekly 767 service

Above schedule effective from 21FEB16 to 11MAR16. This will replace existing Miami – Curitiba – Porto Alegre – Miami daily operation

Miami – Sao Paulo Viracopos/Campinas 1 daily 767 service suspended. Current there is no planned resumption date scheduled

and FRA

http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/13/aa-miafra-s16cxld/
American Airlines in latest schedule update has removed planned seasonal resumption on Miami – Frankfurt route in 2016. The oneWorld member previously scheduled daily 767 operation from 12MAY16 to 01SEP16 (US departure). Based on current schedule planning, AA will continue to serve Frankfurt from Charlotte, Dallas and Philadelphia.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

 

[Kev3188]

Right?

CWB might be closing, but is AA actually "losing" anything? Seems to me like an intelligent reallocation of assets?

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Misleading thread title is misleading.
 
"Losing" would seem to imply an external force at work rather than an internal decision making process which no doubt takes place at other airlines as well.

 

[jimntx]

Right?

CWB might be closing, but is AA actually "losing" anything? Seems to me like an intelligent reallocation of assets?

For the last time...ONLY Delta does that.  All other airlines, and especially AA, are "losing routes/service/whatever."  Do NOT make me tell you that again or you will be sentenced to detention where the detention hall monitor will read endlessly from the writings of WT in a dull monotone.  (In the words of Earnestine, the telephone operator..."Oh, blackmail is such an ugly word.  Let's just call it a vicious threat.")

 

[WorldTraveler]

if that were only true on this forum, then the world would indeed be full of unicorns and rainbows.

grassroots, DOT changes it mind....

and AA is cancelling MIA-FRA and CWB, and there is yet no future schedule for VCP after it is cxld.

 

[MAH4546]

Jealous and bitter.
 
How many daily flights does Delta operate to secondary Brazilian markets. Somebody please remind me...

 

[WorldTraveler]

The capacity reduction for AA and DL to/from Brazil is virtually the same percentage.

there is no emotion - bitterness, joy, or anything - in a statistic.

 

[eolesen]

Jealous and bitter.
 
How many daily flights does Delta operate to secondary Brazilian markets. Somebody please remind me...

Exactly. AA is eliminating secondary markets, DL is eliminating primary markets. But it's the same percentage. Same strategic value. Same yield and revenue potential. A market is a market, right?

 

[WorldTraveler]

The business issue is that AA and DL are cutting their Brazil networks by the same percentage.

Of course AA has a larger network and no one has ever argued against that.

ATL-BSB is no more of a primary market for DL than MIA-CWB or MIA-FRA is for AA.

a market IS a market.

the noteworthy part of this thread is that AA is cutting 3 long haul routes from the same hub... if you would like to show me when something similar has happened in the current post-consolidation environment, then we can discuss what makes this different from other markets.

 

[commavia]

"Current post-consolidation environment" ... creative caveat (per usual).  Anyway, back here in reality:
 
http://www.onlinetravelreview.com/2011/06/01/delta-announces-route-cuts-to-europe-goodbye-berlin-stockholm-manchester-and-more/
 
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ...

 

[N628AU]

a market IS a market.

This will be a good reminder for yourself when you post in LAX threads about leaders in international flights, top ten markets, purple widgets per wide body seat mile, or any other bizarre tweaked measurement of the day.

 

[WorldTraveler]

except no one is posting about LAX just as a single route but as AA's position IN THE LAX market as a whole.

and on that basis, it is absolutely relevant to note not only how AA is doing in LAX among the top ten markets but also in MIA where alot of its strength is concentrated in secondary markets whether in Europe or Latin America which are more subject to fluctuation.

 

[jimntx]

The business issue is that AA and DL are cutting their Brazil networks by the same percentage.

Of course AA has a larger network and no one has ever argued against that.

ATL-BSB is no more of a primary market for DL than MIA-CWB or MIA-FRA is for AA.

a market IS a market.  

the noteworthy part of this thread is that AA is cutting 3 long haul routes from the same hub... if you would like to show me when something similar has happened in the current post-consolidation environment, then we can discuss what makes this different from other markets.

Really?  Then why doesn't DL willingly go gently into that (DAL) good night?  If a market is a market, then why not just do 5 more flights from DFW?  As you said, a market IS a market.  It's also the reason why most airlines are constantly trying to get gate space at Gatwick.  It's just as good as Heathrow.