AAA/AWA pilots begin to put this behind us...

[USA320Pilot]

Junebug,

Junebug said: " believe until people like USA320Pilot change their attitude this bitter fight between the two pilot groups will continue, possibly forever. ALL of the West pilots will never change their sentiment."

USA320Pilot comments: That is fine.

If the AWA MEC does not want to agree to both EC resolutions and any Rice Committee suggestion then the US Airways lawsuit will proceed (for 3-5 years and will prevent the Nicolau Award from being implemented while the suit is litigated), the USAPA effort will continue, and if the West does not support the East in obtaining a pay raise then the East will not support the West's effort to obtain stock option parity, and, of course, there will be no joint contract.

That way the West can either enter into Section 6 negotiations or not have a new agreement, while they wait for USAPA "imposition".

During this process the East will continue to get pay raises as reserves become lineholders, narrowbody pilots become widebody pilots, First Officers become Captains, the East will get a $70 million bonus (which is over $20,000 per pilot), the East will get all of the EMB-190 flying, and the East will likely receive A340 China, Japan, and Tel Aviv flying, which will be based in PHL.

In addition, the East will maintain its attrition based career expectation, which resulted in 208 Captain and First Officer vacancies in November and December alone.

Meanwhile, the West pilots will see stagnation, no widebody's (oh that's right -- they were never in an AWA pilot's career expectation anyway), and no pay raises.

As I said above, "That is fine."

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[SkyRat]

If the AWA MEC does not want to agree to both EC resolutions and any Rice Committee suggestion...
USA320Pilot

Those resolutions "suggest" that they meet and "explore" options, fences, protections! Well my friend (or NOT) for 18 months we did that. AAA position?

RESULT = AAA JNC/MEC stance was what? DOH and NOTHING else!!! Or DUH! Please read the transcripts.

They can meet all you want, at the end of the day, the award stands.

Sorry to hijack the thead, but USA320 is, well, USA320.

GL

 

[Junebug172]

USA320Pilot comments: That is fine.

If the AWA MEC does not want to agree to both EC resolutions and any Rice Committee suggestion...

Ya, and you guys are doing a great job complying by walking away from everything. Hypocrisy alert!

...then the US Airways lawsuit will proceed

You've got to be kidding! I think you're the only one who thinks this thing has legs. If you're a USAPA fan, and the USAPA lawyer says the lawsuit has no merit, does that mean your trust in USAPA is waning already?


...the USAPA effort will continue,

Personally, I don't think it will be a factor (sorry AAA73), but whatever.


...and if the West does not support the East in obtaining a pay raise then the East will not support the West's effort to obtain stock option parity,

Oh well. Not having something I've never had isn't going to keep me up at night. You, however, will still be working under LOA93.


and, of course, there will be no joint contract.

Just like ther wasn't going to be an LOA93, right Mr. Armageddon?


That way the West can either enter into Section 6 negotiations or not have a new agreement, while they wait for USAPA "imposition".

That line actually made me giggle a bit!! 🙂

During this process the East will continue to get pay raises as reserves become lineholders, narrowbody pilots become widebody pilots, First Officers become Captains, the East will get a $70 million bonus (which is over $20,000 per pilot), the East will get all of the EMB-190 flying, and the East will likely receive A340 China, Japan, and Tel Aviv flying, which will be based in PHL.

In addition, the East will maintain its attrition based career expectation, which resulted in 208 Captain and First Officer vacancies in November and December alone.

Meanwhile, the West pilots will see stagnation, no widebody's (oh that's right -- they were never in an AWA pilot's career expectation anyway), and no pay raises.

Blah blah. Hang on to that fantasy.

 

[Tiger 1050]

You guys just can't help yourselves can you?


Richard. Close the thread my friend. Apparently we are in fact incapable of peace...

 

[Piedmont1984]

Then there was the AWA captain who asked me where the printer for the release paperwork in CLT was...... I said I didn't know......but we shook hands.

 

[exB717Flyer]

I would not bid PHX, preferring working with underpaid people than troglodytes.

If I wanted to be just like you I'd respond with another insult. But I'm better than you so I won't. (And yes, I know what a troglodyte is and I didn't even have to look it up: Caveman.)

break

I think this thread is kind of silly. I've found that pilots at all different airlines are pretty much the same. There's always that 10% and message boards tend to have a lot of them. TWA guys are sharing cockpits with nAAtives and there's no problems. Some people take these boards way too seriously. As I've written before, most of the strident posts here are merely emotional venting or chest-thumping. Numerous times I've been shocked to meet somebody in person who talked nothing like he typed. This forum makes one's position appear harder than in reality. I like to think I type a lot closer to how I talk.

Nobody should mistake writings on message boards as representative of a whole pilot group.

 

[cactusboy53]

USA;
The crux of the problem pertaining to the list is this: Nicolau rendered a list under the binding arbitration as per the ALPA merger policy. Unless someone can prove that there was some sort of malfeasance, the list will stand regardless of representation. ALPA's roll is ONLY to provide the means by which a list is determined. They did that, but now they are delaying the acceptance and delivery of the list. Our MEC can not touch the list legally. If Nicolau had given the first 1000 slots to East pilots....I would still be writing this. We have got to move on.

While many are upset with ALPA on a number of levels, I believe that it is a fact the the next best contract will only come quickest via that avenue. That said, we will not get that contract, UNLESS we work together as a group.

Picketing Tempe on the 6th will get you this: Time away from your family/home, hot shoe soles, dire thirst (welcome to the desert), and more frustration as Parker looks down on you and sips ice water in his office.

 

[LCC_#1]

I vow to be nicer to AWA320.....most of the time.

 

[Piedmont1984]

cactusboy

This is sotto voce so that Richard can't hear and close this thread.

But if I understand you, then you are saying the means justifies the end. Had Nicolau put out a list in alphabetical order, or some other absurd methodology, as long as the process was complied with, you and ALPA national would have no problem with it. And that is exactly the problem. The list provides a significant group of AWA pilots with very little longevity a big windfall (which is why we refer to it as the St. Nic Award) at the expense of a large number of AAA pilots who have a great deal of longevity.

Therefore it violates ALPA merger policy. And if ALPA does not take responsibility for ALPA merger policy now, it won't in the future, to the detriment of all of us, West and East.

Junebug

To clarify, I said the West MEC needs to change their position, not their minds. I don't expect a meeting of the minds on this issue. But some compromise would be a good thing. If, however, you really think we are idiots and pinheads, and that we are fighting a lost cause, then you have nothing to worry about and nothing to get bent out of shape about.

To me however, it sounds like you are whistling past the graveyard.

Most important, and the real purpose of this post, is to say that the food court in PHX is really swell.

 

[sharktooth]

(And yes, I know what a troglodyte is and I didn't even have to look it up: Caveman.)

All I said was that I would sooner work with underpaid employees than troglodytes. If you wish to include yourself in that category, that is certainly up to you.

BTW:

troglodyte |ˈträgləˌdīt|
noun
(esp. in prehistoric times) a person who lived in a cave.
• a hermit.
• a person who is regarded as being deliberately ignorant or old-fashioned.

I said nothing about prehistoric times, referring instead to the second bullet point as that is the only one that makes sense.

 

[careerfurloughee]

Then there was the AWA captain who asked me where the printer for the release paperwork in CLT was...... I said I didn't know......but we shook hands.

...and actually you knew where it was. Don't you feel awful? LOL

 

[AAA73Pilot]

You guys just can't help yourselves can you?
Richard. Close the thread my friend. Apparently we are in fact incapable of peace...

It was a nice try to find something in common. I had hoped this would be the vehicle to at least break the stalemate and let each side know there are other things in life besides the mess we find ourselves in.

After all is said and done, if we stay as one company, do you not think that managements will know we are still divided and act accordingly? We are still fighting north south east west and all this was before the merger. Look how managements have been playing us off on one another for years.



I agree, Richard, shut down the thread. We can skirmish elsewhere.

 

[humbled2005]

A Cherokee elder was teaching his grandchildren about the meaning of life.

He said to them, “There is a fight going on inside me. It is a terrible fight, and it is between two wolves. One wolf is evil. He is fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, competition, superiority and ego.

The other wolf is good. He is joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion,
and faith.

This same fight is going on inside all of you. In fact, it is going on inside everyone on earth.â€￾

The children thought about this for a very long time, and then one child asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?â€￾

The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.â€￾


what's the moral of this story???....

I am a lurker...but I loved the idea of this thread...i would hate to see it closed

 

[Richard]

I hate to say I told you so but..............