Afa Walk's Out On Us Airways Management

[UWCactus]

Does anyone on the USWest side know if the classes of f/a that were cancelled when the merger announcement came about has been rescheduled for Jan? I "heard" that the trainees have been rescheduled for Jan. If so, how can you bring back them when there are invols? They were not employees yet. I thought that you are not considered an employee until you pass training. Does anyone have any info on this? This was something I was told by someone, so, my info may be wrong.

Classes are most likely going to begin in January. You're right, with the breakdown in negotiating a deal to bring back invols, it appears that for now the company may hire off the street or simply bring the origninally scheduled classes back if they are still out there waiting. I don't know if any decision has been made yet on who will actually be in the new classes. The union was not in agreement with the company plan to pay them different rates then HP people.

 

[PITbull]

UCactus,

They were not different rates the the HP f/as. The truth is....that the MECWest did not want the INVOLS paid at their rightful year of service (longevity) pay, while at the bottome of the list. The co. was willing to give the INOVLS their longevity which the MEC-East expected, BUT, BUT, the MEC-West didn't think it would look right for their most junior f/as while the invols were at the bottom receiving pay that would be for some higher than U-west f/as MOST JUNIOR F/As!! In essence and in plain english...the MEC-West wsanted the invols paid at NEW HIRE rates!

THIS IS BULL SHTTTT.

 

[firstamendment]

Tell me WHAT has gone in favor of AWA employees so far in this merger?????

NOTHING!

Why do you feel that EVERYTHING should go in your favor??? The way you all think it should. Don't talk to me about whining...queen! :huh:

This queen supports you guys to have parity pay..Infact, we should all have the same contract so that there IS good morale, but it seems we are becoming the scapegoat for alot of US West anger. I am with you guys that the co. should not drag their feet with yours and our negotiations. Hey, I only have 24 days vacation with 19 years, I would love parity to get what your f/a's get at my years.

Pitbull speaks for the rest of what I have to say.

 

[cltncfa]

I have been a US Eeast f/a for over 20 years and as usual, the afa negotiators are looking out for their own personal benefits. Hmmm, lets see does C.A. want everything she can do so she can get closer to SAN. The US East got what they wanted, date of hire seniority. Would it kill AFA to give something to our future coworkers in PHX? Why not give them the fence with the stipulations that were announced but why do we need to get anything in return. Could we not just do something nice for our coworkers in PHX that we will have to work with. We got our senioirty, give them their fence with the stipulations outlined but without expecting anything back.

 

[PITbull]

I have been a US Eeast f/a for over 20 years and as usual, the afa negotiators are looking out for their own personal benefits. Hmmm, lets see does C.A. want everything she can do so she can get closer to SAN. The US East got what they wanted, date of hire seniority. Would it kill AFA to give something to our future coworkers in PHX? Why not give them the fence with the stipulations that were announced but why do we need to get anything in return. Could we not just do something nice for our coworkers in PHX that we will have to work with. We got our senioirty, give them their fence with the stipulations outlined but without expecting anything back.

Step back, go investigate the issue, and then, come back and post.

YOu are confused on the issues.

 

[xoxo]

I myself do not care about about the fence..and there are only 222 f/a's that live on the west coast(USEast)..so my guess is that noone really cares about the fence over here on the east side. So, basically the west is upset because the invols that were fuloughed anywhere from being employed for 1 month to 4 years may get a higher payrate when we are called back. HMMM..we went through 6 weeks of training already and over 200 of the invols are at MAA..so they are ALL recurrent on every a/c(except 330) at US East..so now that they(MAA) have been working for nearly 2 years without longevity and making basically the same as a 2- 3 year US west f/a and they actually have been working for 4-6 years..US West is mad because they would make more than youre 1-3 year f/a's? That is just crazy!!! If anyone deserves to get their pay for longevity at U..it is the MAA f/a's that want to go to the U West side. Some of them have actually been flying for 6 years now and were only furloughed for 6 to 10 months!!! I am just shocked that the U West side is acting like this..they need to get it together before it's to late. Just my 2cents.

 

[mdarules]

I have been a US Eeast f/a for over 20 years and as usual, the afa negotiators are looking out for their own personal benefits. Hmmm, lets see does C.A. want everything she can do so she can get closer to SAN. The US East got what they wanted, date of hire seniority. Would it kill AFA to give something to our future coworkers in PHX? Why not give them the fence with the stipulations that were announced but why do we need to get anything in return. Could we not just do something nice for our coworkers in PHX that we will have to work with. We got our senioirty, give them their fence with the stipulations outlined but without expecting anything back.

I agree with Pitbull on this one - I think you are probably a USwest f/a and using a screenname to protect your identity - sell it to someone else - everyone knows it is the AWA MEC that is being extremely unreasonable - not the company and not USEAst MEC... They need to put theirselves in the invols shoes and take a walk around and see if that is they way they would want to be treated - We deserve longevity and to be paid for our years of service - They really shouldn't even be put to the bottom of the list because they are going to be bumped up in a year anyway - they are just prolonging the inevitable - not too smart!

 

[hula-flyguy]

I have been a US Eeast f/a for over 20 years and as usual, the afa negotiators are looking out for their own personal benefits. Hmmm, lets see does C.A. want everything she can do so she can get closer to SAN. The US East got what they wanted, date of hire seniority. Would it kill AFA to give something to our future coworkers in PHX? Why not give them the fence with the stipulations that were announced but why do we need to get anything in return. Could we not just do something nice for our coworkers in PHX that we will have to work with. We got our senioirty, give them their fence with the stipulations outlined but without expecting anything back.

US/EAST didn't get what they wanted with DOH. US/EAST retained what is rightfully theirs.

 

[HPGUY]

AGREED!!!! Then you wouldn't have a problem with Phoenix and Vegas having a 20 year fence then?

I think the idea of fences is just putting off the inevitable. What's the difference if it's now or 2years from now?? People will be able to change bases eventually and carry their seniority and pay with them. So here AFA is wasting it's efforts with "fences" when most FA are not going to run out and put into change bases anyway. Though at some point it will happen so why waste our energy in delaying it?

We only need to protect FAs from being bumped out of a base. So a simple rule allowing FAs to transfer only when there is an opening.

And why should we care if a US East FA comes to PHX and makes more money than the other reserves? If the US East FA has earned this pay rate why should they not have it. And if we as a union can save one of these girls/guys jobs why deny them that?? How selfish are we?? We're supposed to be a union and all we can do is attack each other and complain about things not being fair.

We should be urging the union to concentrate on pay and benefit improvements for all. And work rules we want to see in the combined contract and scheduling improvements.

Let's pull together and take care off each other and not just ourselves.

 

[Whatnow?]

I think the idea of fences is just putting off the inevitable. What's the difference if it's now or 2years from now?? People will be able to change bases eventually and carry their seniority and pay with them. So here AFA is wasting it's efforts with "fences" when most FA are not going to run out and put into change bases anyway. Though at some point it will happen so why waste our energy in delaying it?

We only need to protect FAs from being bumped out of a base. So a simple rule allowing FAs to transfer only when there is an opening.

And why should we care if a US East FA comes to PHX and makes more money than the other reserves? If the US East FA has earned this pay rate why should they not have it. And if we as a union can save one of these girls/guys jobs why deny them that?? How selfish are we?? We're supposed to be a union and all we can do is attack each other and complain about things not being fair.

We should be urging the union to concentrate on pay and benefit improvements for all. And work rules we want to see in the combined contract and scheduling improvements.

Let's pull together and take care off each other and not just ourselves.

great post.....couldn't agree more! Let's get on with the show!

 

[firstamendment]

I think the idea of fences is just putting off the inevitable. What's the difference if it's now or 2years from now?? People will be able to change bases eventually and carry their seniority and pay with them. So here AFA is wasting it's efforts with "fences" when most FA are not going to run out and put into change bases anyway. Though at some point it will happen so why waste our energy in delaying it?

We only need to protect FAs from being bumped out of a base. So a simple rule allowing FAs to transfer only when there is an opening.

And why should we care if a US East FA comes to PHX and makes more money than the other reserves? If the US East FA has earned this pay rate why should they not have it. And if we as a union can save one of these girls/guys jobs why deny them that?? How selfish are we?? We're supposed to be a union and all we can do is attack each other and complain about things not being fair.

We should be urging the union to concentrate on pay and benefit improvements for all. And work rules we want to see in the combined contract and scheduling improvements.

Let's pull together and take care off each other and not just ourselves.

EXACTLY!!

 

[RowUnderDCA]

UCactus,

They were not different rates the the HP f/as. The truth is....that the MECWest did not want the INVOLS paid at their rightful year of service (longevity) pay, while at the bottome of the list. The co. was willing to give the INOVLS their longevity which the MEC-East expected, BUT, BUT, the MEC-West didn't think it would look right for their most junior f/as while the invols were at the bottom receiving pay that would be for some higher than U-west f/as MOST JUNIOR F/As!! In essence and in plain english...the MEC-West wsanted the invols paid at NEW HIRE rates!

THIS IS BULL SHTTTT.

That is quite a rediculous position (UWest's)... talk about poisoning the well.

 

[drrstrav]

Reading this board, it seems to be very apparent, that US east F/a utilizes the phylosophy of : Me, Me, and after me is the deluge. Most of you would be very happy if the US west F/a would roll over and let you stump on them with you winter boots. The end result would be: " we would have a very happy work force". No compromizes what so ever on your side.

Furthermore, the cancel F/a classes had several HP employees from other department. Surely, they couldn't be considered as "hire from the street". Also, the training budget allocates $100/week for each student for 8 weeks of training.

 

[LCC_#1]

Reading this board, it seems to be very apparent, that US east F/a utilizes the phylosophy of : Me, Me, and after me is the deluge. Most of you would be very happy if the US west F/a would roll over and let you stump on them with you winter boots. The end result would be: " we would have a very happy work force". No compromizes what so ever on your side.

Furthermore, the cancel F/a classes had several HP employees from other department. Surely, they couldn't be considered as "hire from the street". Also, the training budget allocates $100/week for each student for 8 weeks of training.

There is more to what is going on than you see here on the boards. I know many of us at US East come across as me, me,me, but that isn't the case at all. Both sides are free to plea their case on any issue. There are issues that are related to the union..afa..and those related to the two coastlines. I am 100% behind the US West attempt to obtain a new contract. Unfortunately, the new management team doesn't want this since they will need to renegotiate in the future.

If management doesn't want a new US West conract, then get off the can and negotiate the interim US East/West contract. If I were about me, me, me, I wouldn't support our West brothers and sisters to obtain pay parity (which is small) with East. By the same token, the West has a lot more vacation. If I were me, me, me, I would insist on them going to our level...yeah, right.

The furloughed East pay for those working out of PHX temporarily will be resolved. Again, people are expressing their view point. Many West agree with East and visa versa. If you are speaking of senority doh, I have attached the following, which in NO way cries me, me, me, but stating the facts:

DATE OF HIRE will prevail in the merger of our seniority lists.


MECP Mike Flores shows a PowerPoint presentation on "Date of Hire - A Tradition" to the Committee



After the tabling of the agenda item, the America West MEC introduced a letter of agreement between the AMW MEC and the USA MEC which clearly reaffirms the commitment to DATE OF HIRE as contained in the AFA constitution and bylaws.

******This letter also stipulates that the Company (USA & USA/AMW) remain uninvolved in the Seniority Integration******

We will be following the section of the C&B policy that governs the merger of seniority lists, which is DATE OF HIRE, and collective bargaining agreements between the two merged carriers.

Please note the starred section. The only me, me ,me has been the attempt of the new management team to interfer with the business of the union.

We at US East speak out more often AND alot but if you really go back, you will see more than enough crossover of opinions. 😉

Take it easy

PS..I feel anyone who has transferred from other positions should either get their original position back (if possible) or be hired as a f/a. There can't be THAT many.

 

[aafsc]

You got your DATE OF HIRE. Why do you always put it in capitals when adressing the HP F/As?