Aircraft maint issues

[Vortilon]

While we all would prefer to keep as much work as possible in-house, we realize there is competition that has to be considered. As much as the Association would like to pretend they care about some guy who currently works nites, has a shot at day shift eventually, it's always gonna be more about maintaining dues payers in the future. Of all the guys I hear talking on the subject, most rate this low on their priority list. The Association is in business for themselves, and we are the pawns. Here is where the Association will start their shell game of attempting to reduce the company pay and benefits offer in exchange for an air tight guarantee of maintaining future headcount.SIC Next step, how to sell their wealth redistribution idea to the membership.

Look, the company wants out maintaining a good portion of their buildings. The same thing happened with building cleaners. At least this would be done through attrition over years. Evidently the same for Stores and GSE. The union has never been successful at preventing the company from doing what they want one way or another - on contractual issues like this. So, as we sit and wait for the next economic downturn, and our window of opportunity closes for getting anything out of this whole convoluted process, we can thank our unfortunate union leadership for their personal greed. FFS, why not take care of your current dues payers, who are losing thousands of dollars in pay and benefits with each passing month?

 

[WeAAsles]

While we all would prefer to keep as much work as possible in-house, we realize there is competition that has to be considered. As much as the Association would like to pretend they care about some guy who currently works nites, has a shot at day shift eventually, it's always gonna be more about maintaining dues payers in the future. Of all the guys I hear talking on the subject, most rate this low on their priority list. The Association is in business for themselves, and we are the pawns. Here is where the Association will start their shell game of attempting to reduce the company pay and benefits offer in exchange for an air tight guarantee of maintaining future headcount.SIC Next step, how to sell their wealth redistribution idea to the membership.

Look, the company wants out maintaining a good portion of their buildings. The same thing happened with building cleaners. At least this would be done through attrition over years. Evidently the same for Stores and GSE. The union has never been successful at preventing the company from doing what they want one way or another - on contractual issues like this. So, as we sit and wait for the next economic downturn, and our window of opportunity closes for getting anything out of this whole convoluted process, we can thank our unfortunate union leadership for their personal greed. FFS, why not take care of your current dues payers, who are losing thousands of dollars in pay and benefits with each passing month?

Can you please stop being so willing to give away OTHER people’s work. Why don’t you look in the mirror at your own greed for just once. You’re so willing to throw Facilities, GSE and Stores under the bus aren’t you. But not your own group cause you think you’re so special.

And the Association is NOT going to be accepting any reduction to our pay and benefits to accommodate more work and put us below our peers.

There is no reason to have to accept that from the Company and no chance the Membership (Me included) would accept it anyway.

Now stop being such a greedy Capitalist pig just for once.

 

[B737 driver]

How cool would it be if there was an organization that represents all the unions and can speak as one voice of the working man. Kind of like the AFL CIO, wait, exactly like afl cio, maybe they can speak for ALL mechanics at all airlines about outsourcing safety and airliners.

As it stands with Samuelson speaking for us, it will be seen as a union goon who threatened airline president, about union jobs.

TWU represents SWA FAs and didn’t say anything about SWA outsourcing there OH/safety. To me that just comes across as keeping TWU dues rather then airline safety.

Brett our National director just put out about standing with the TWU/ IAM with your guys situation.

 

[bigjets]

Brett our National director just put out about standing with the TWU/ IAM with your guys situation.

AMFA is a class organization, wish we had this much support from the AFL-CIO, I think it mean more from AFL-CIO talking about safety rather then some loud mouth in contract negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

American Airlines’ Fraudulent Accusations Against TWU-IAM Are Right Out of Airlines’ Playbook

AMFA National
May 30 · 2 min read
Statement by AMFA National Director Bret Oestreich

Contract negotiations between TWU-IAM and American Airlines have been stagnant for years as a result of American Airlines management’s “must haves” — ending protected work in favor of outsourcing to less skilled foreign international maintenance vendors and demanding headcount reductions.

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It is disturbing and extremely concerning that both American Airlines and Southwest Airlines chose to litigate rather than negotiate. Both airline carriers greatly misunderstand the most fundamental duties and responsibilities of federally licensed airmen to a point at which they spitefully sue their representative body in attempt to suppress their mandated role at the bargaining table.

These highly skilled men and women are trained professionals who perform their day to day responsibilities as vigilant defenders of safety standards— and the last line of defense — for the flying public. The work performed is crucial and it is past time for it to be respected.

AMFA supports our TWU-IAM brothers and sisters in their battle, and we stand with them in unity.

https://medium.com/@AMFANational/am...e-right-out-of-airlines-playbook-8b932216a3d5

 

[MetalMover]

American Airlines’ Fraudulent Accusations Against TWU-IAM Are Right Out of Airlines’ Playbook

AMFA National
May 30 · 2 min read
Statement by AMFA National Director Bret Oestreich

Contract negotiations between TWU-IAM and American Airlines have been stagnant for years as a result of American Airlines management’s “must haves” — ending protected work in favor of outsourcing to less skilled foreign international maintenance vendors and demanding headcount reductions.

We hate seeing another group of expert aviation personnel go through a "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">similar struggle to what we experienced over the past "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">six and a half years. The carriers believe they truly do not have to negotiate in good faith, dragging out the negotiation process and asking for unrealistic offsets. They intentionally try to exhaust the workforce enough to roll over and not be rewarded — which is not only corrupt, it’s unlawful.

It is disturbing and extremely concerning that both American Airlines and Southwest Airlines chose to litigate rather than negotiate. Both airline carriers greatly misunderstand the most fundamental duties and responsibilities of federally licensed airmen to a point at which they spitefully sue their representative body in attempt to suppress their mandated role at the bargaining table.

These highly skilled men and women are trained professionals who perform their day to day responsibilities as vigilant defenders of safety standards— and the last line of defense — for the flying public. The work performed is crucial and it is past time for it to be respected.

AMFA supports our TWU-IAM brothers and sisters in their battle, and we stand with them in unity.

https://medium.com/@AMFANational/am...e-right-out-of-airlines-playbook-8b932216a3d5

Too bad AMFA got no support when they struck NWA.

 

[swamt]

Too bad AMFA got no support when they struck NWA.

Yea, AMEN brother. Not one supporting union (correction teamster truckers turned their trucks around and left) at least not one supporting union from on property supported AMFA. In fact they (industrial unions) did the exact opposite and even scabbed the AMFA picket lines to help NWA with their mission to rid NWA of the AMFA union. And this, my friends, is exactly why AMFA ended up being removed from the NWA property. Company and all the other unions worked together to kill AMFA. And now, here we have AMFA supporting all other industrial unions with their current issues. Now, folks, whos the bigger person (union) here??? Get a freakin clue people!!!

 

[ATD]

A little bird tells me that the Tulsa twu pres and the iam equal signed off on for base to work on usair planes. Currently in Tulsa there is an a/c with the AA bill of work.
We really going to show the company we are mad...
You can't fix stupid.

 

[Kev3188]

Too bad AMFA got no support when they struck NWA.

Yea, AMEN brother. Not one supporting union (correction teamster truckers turned their trucks around and left) at least not one supporting union from on property supported AMFA. In fact they (industrial unions) did the exact opposite and even scabbed the AMFA picket lines to help NWA with their mission to rid NWA of the AMFA union. And this, my friends, is exactly why AMFA ended up being removed from the NWA property. Company and all the other unions worked together to kill AMFA. And now, here we have AMFA supporting all other industrial unions with their current issues. Now, folks, whos the bigger person (union) here??? Get a freakin clue people!!!

There was tons of support for the AMTS at NW. Unfortunately, it was at the local and/or station level(s). Those at the top let their egos get in the way, and we all saw how that turned out.

 

[B737 driver]

Yea, AMEN brother. Not one supporting union (correction teamster truckers turned their trucks around and left) at least not one supporting union from on property supported AMFA. In fact they (industrial unions) did the exact opposite and even scabbed the AMFA picket lines to help NWA with their mission to rid NWA of the AMFA union. And this, my friends, is exactly why AMFA ended up being removed from the NWA property. Company and all the other unions worked together to kill AMFA. And now, here we have AMFA supporting all other industrial unions with their current issues. Now, folks, whos the bigger person (union) here??? Get a freakin clue people!!!

Yeah Swampy I can respect the Teamsters for turning their trucks back. But the rest of the industrial unions on Northwest property, might has well been in management.

 

[swamt]

There was tons of support for the AMTS at NW. Unfortunately, it was at the local and/or station level(s). Those at the top let their egos get in the way, and we all saw how that turned out.

Your right. Didn't mean to escape all the men and women who did support the AMFA. My apologies to all them.
Sorry Kev., just spouting about how the other industrial unions flaunted the scabbing that occured.

 

[Kev3188]

Oh, it was definitely a **** show, but at the same time, there were a few silver linings. IMO, the best way we can all do right by those guys is to take those lessons to heart.

And you and 737 are right about the Teamsters turning around. In my station, we proposed having the AMTs set up at the entrance to our air freight facility. One, because we had seen the drivers turn around in SEA, but also because the entire ramp staff parked there, and would've refused to cross an actual picket line. In fact, the company had banked on it (but out of fear of confrontation, not solidarity) and staged their security goons there.

Unfortunately, our AMTs chose to abide by the Airport's rules, and first set up at a far corner of the terminal, and later about 2 miles from the terminal.

 

[WeAAsles]

A little bird tells me that the Tulsa twu pres and the iam equal signed off on for base to work on usair planes. Currently in Tulsa there is an a/c with the AA bill of work.
We really going to show the company we are mad...
You can't fix stupid.

The airplane that is LUS, that is being worked in TULE, was not agreed to by the IAM nor the TWU. It was stolen by the company. It was inducted for work in CLT, not a heavy check, so it couldn’t be vendored out and the next thing the plane is ferried to TULE for work. Which is a violation of the IAM CBA, e-mails have been fired off and grievances filed. It was not a deal made by the union to the company.

 

[MetalMover]

There was tons of support for the AMTS at NW. Unfortunately, it was at the local and/or station level(s). Those at the top let their egos get in the way, and we all saw how that turned out.

I meant from other unions and the AFL-CIO itself.

 

[swamt]

Oh, it was definitely a **** show, but at the same time, there were a few silver linings. IMO, the best way we can all do right by those guys is to take those lessons to heart.

And you and 737 are right about the Teamsters turning around. In my station, we proposed having the AMTs set up at the entrance to our air freight facility. One, because we had seen the drivers turn around in SEA, but also because the entire ramp staff parked there, and would've refused to cross an actual picket line. In fact, the company had banked on it (but out of fear of confrontation, not solidarity) and staged their security goons there.

Unfortunately, our AMTs chose to abide by the Airport's rules, and first set up at a far corner of the terminal, and later about 2 miles from the terminal.

Oh how right you are Kev. We took that lesson learned attitude this last go around with our company, and it worked better in our favor. A perfect example how the times have changed from the usual strike, strike, strike mentality. I never really was a fan of striking, but I did understand why they use to do it back in the days (a long, long time ago), just doesn't work anymore with all the RLA rules now all fully supporting the companies and not the workers. Now days, it's suicidal for anyone other than Pilots (maybe) to strike. Besides that it causes too much chaos for the customers and no matter how soon you get back to regular schedules you still will lose a lot of passengers to other airlines. So it's just stupid now days to do the strike thing IMO. Stay at work and just do what we do everyday and don't fall for the BS the company really wanted us to do, which was to strike. LN even said he working at getting rid of AMFA at SWA as wea ll found out the truth after it was all said and done, but, NOW WE KNOW the rest of the story.