Alpa & Us Airways Reach

[BoeingBoy]

deltawatch,

I think the pertinent question about the "13. All EMB-190 aircraft to be flown on mainline" is how will management interpret "flown on mainline"?

They've argued that the EMB-170's were "flown on mainline", though it is under a separate contract, pilots start at 1st year pay, etc. So will a pilot have to fly the EMB-190 10 years to see that 10-year pay?

Jim

 

[deltawatch]

Good question .... but with 93 Mesa CRJ-900's crusing around the system when and how many EMB-190's do you expect? Dave Seagull 🙂 may be gone but his plan lives on. Turn US Airways into a commuter airline for a larger airline ..... UNITED?????

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

If First Officer Pollack has his way no one will ever stick around long enough to get to that $95.00 per hour.

What option do you think the company is going to take? Subcontracted CRJ 900's with none of the headaches of actual employees, or in house E190's with the costs associated having them operated by Airways employees?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Good question .... but with 93 Mesa CRJ-900's crusing around the system when and how many EMB-190's do you expect? Dave Seagull 🙂 may be gone but his plan lives on. Turn US Airways into a commuter airline for a larger airline ..... UNITED?????

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Actually, the transition agreement language - "CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above" - applies to the Emb-170/175 also.

The AWA pilot contract limits to 38 the number of Express aircraft seating more than 70 - that means both the CRJ-900 and the Emb-170/175. The AWA web site says that Mesa operates 37 CRJ-900's as AWA Express, so as soon as the merger consumates the "new" US would be in violation of the AWA pilot's contract (37 CRJ-900's and at least 3 Emb-170's at Republic).

The way things stand today, there will ultimately be at least 65 aircraft with over 70 seats operated as Express by the combined company - 37 Mesa CRJ-900's and 28 Republic Emb-170's. This provision of the transition makes that legal and allows an additional 28 aircraft of that size.

Other than that, I agree with you - the "Expressing" of mainline continues, presumably in the belief that there is enough yield premium to be had by flying smaller jets to smaller markets to cover their higher unit cost - smaller markets like ATL, IAH, DFW, CLE, DCA, etc.......

Jim

 

[deltawatch]

If ATL, IAH, DFW, CLE, DCA ..... ect., are small markets what is a large markets? Those are major metros.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Picking a random weekday later this month....

PHL - ATL 6 flights/2 mainline + 1 E170
PHL - IAH 6 flights/0 mainline + 6 E170
PHL - DFW 5 flights/3 mainline + 2 E170
PHL - CLE 7 flights/0 mainline + 0 E170

DCA - ATL 4 flights/0 mainline + 3 E170
DCA - IAH 3 flights/0 mainline + 3 E170
DCA - DFW 3 flights/0 mainline + 3 E170
DCA - CLE 3 flights/0 mainline + 0 E170
DCA - ORD 4 flights/0 mainline + 3 E170

Jim

 

[xoxo]

Picking a random weekday later this month....

PHL - ATL 6 flights/2 mainline
PHL - IAH 6 flights/0 mainline
PHL - DFW 5 flights/3 mainline
PHL - CLE 7 flights/0 mainline

DCA - ATL 4 flights/0 mainline
DCA - IAH 3 flights/0 mainline
DCA - DFW 3 flights/0 mainline
DCA - CLE 3 flights/0 mainline
DCA - ORD 4 flights/0 mainline

Jim

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Jim,
Alot of those flights are flown by the EMB-Division. It is not expressed out yet. As you know the 170 is still flown by mainline...The flight crews are all mainline. Well, no need to explain because you already know what is going on.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I know xoxo - it's a case of confusing labels and confusing shorthand. MDA is easier to type than Emb-Division, mainline than Airbus/Boeing Division, Express than Everything Smaller Than The Emb-170, etc.

Jim

 

[xoxo]

🙂

 

[BoeingBoy]

To make amends, I've edited the post to show the number of Emb-170's in those markets.

Jim

 

[HighFlyerMiami]

To make amends, I've edited the post to show the number of Emb-170's in those markets.

Jim

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Hi Jim ,

Quick question - So the US Airways pilot agreement allows for 55 aircraft in the E170/175 and up range to be flown by affiliates? Do you have the specific numbers concerning the max seating and weight mentioned in paragrhap B.

Also, added to the 38 allowed at AmWest (for Mesa), the total comes to 93, the amount stipulated in the transition agreement?

Thanks,

HighFlyer

 

[BoeingBoy]

HighFlyerMiami,

Unfortunately, the US scope has evolved through several changes so it's not so clear-cut. "Small Jets" (as RJ's were referred to) were dividen in three classifications - small, medium, and large. Then there was the Emb-170 as a separate class.

Prior to LOA 91, the breakdown was:
- Small SJ's were limited to 44 seats (CRJ's cinfigured with less than 40 seats).
- Medium SJ's seated 45-50 (CRJ's configured with more than 40 seats).
- Large SJ's seated 51-70
- Emb-170

So nothing larger than a CRJ-700 was allowed except at MDA.

There are a total of 415 "small jets" allowed. Of these, 315 can be "medium or large SJ's".

LOA 91 put the Emb-170/175 into the "large SJ" catagory and allowed them to be operated by affiliates, not just MDA.

LOA 93 allowed the Emb-190 to be treated the same as the Emb-170/175 for scope purposes, as well as allowed the CRJ900 to be treated the same as the CRJ-700.

The materials that accompany LOA 91 say this about Emb-170/175's at affiliate carriers:

"Up to 315 Medium/Large limit (only with loss of aircraft at MDA or loss of deliveries to MDA)"

Other limits are:

Large SJs:
– Up to 55 Large SJs (CRJ-700/701 only) may be operated by Participating Affiliate Carriers by 12/31/06

– Up to 60 Large SJs (CRJ-700/701 only) may be operated by Participating Wholly-Owned Carriers other than MDA.

– Allow flying for EMB-190 under same provisions as EMB 170/175/ same for CRJ-900’s with respect to CRJ 700/701s (Letter 93)

» Maximum of 60 EMB -190s/ same for CRJ-900s

– If the company orders EMB-190s and cannot fulfill, up to 25 may be sold or transferred to Participating Affiliate Carrier (flown as US Airways Express) (Letter 93)

According to the HP/US pilot contract comparison on the US MEC website, HP's scope allowed:

Up to 75 RJ's total
Up to 50 RJ's seating more than 50
Up to 38 RJ's seating 71-84

Jim

 

[Light Years]

93 CRJ900s!!!

There goes the airline.

The last ditch effort to get the 190s was not very effective, considering the 170 has already been given away, and now they go and allow for an airline's worth of large RJs at any old airline.

Does anyone at ALPA have any interest in a job/airline? I just don't get it.

 

[blue ridge flyer]

deltawatch,

I think the pertinent question about the "13. All EMB-190 aircraft to be flown on mainline" is how will management interpret "flown on mainline"?

They've argued that the EMB-170's were "flown on mainline", though it is under a separate contract, pilots start at 1st year pay, etc.  So will a pilot have to fly the EMB-190 10 years to see that 10-year pay?

Jim

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Jim, Is there emb 190 pay scale already out that shows the longevity rates?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Here's the link to the transition agreement filed with the court. The pay scales are on the last page:

Transition Agreement

$78.57/$41.22 for 1st year Capt/1st Officer
$102.56/$61.11 for 12th year.

Jim