ALPA/USAPA /West thread 4/6-4-12

[ableoneable]

How the west was saved, click here.

You gave them your profit sharing and extra retirement, now hand over the 330's. Vote for alpa means you give them anything for a two dollar raise. Gut check.

Are we going to go through this crap again?

Which carrier saved which carrier?

If you want to dance this dance again we can but just look through the past threads to see that it has been clearly demonstrated that without AWA, USAir would look like Skybus and Aloha.

 

[nostradamus]

Are we going to go through this crap again?

Which carrier saved which carrier?

If you want to dance this dance again we can but just look through the past threads to see that it has been clearly demonstrated that without AWA, USAir would look like Skybus and Aloha.

If you want to dance with me provide facts to back up your claim of america west help, period,

 

[nostradamus]

Your pilots were very comfortable to work for sub standard wages for years, why are you so concerned now?

america west pilots provide their management a blank check for 20 plus years click here.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Explain how it is moot?

Any change in representation does not change the CBA, the new union is bound by the RLA and the NMB rules to enforce any cba they inherit.

IE. UA, NW M&R from IAM to AMFA, WN M&R from IBT to AMFA, NW FAs from IBT to PFAA then AFA, all by law had to enforce the existing CBAs until Section 6 Negotiations came due.

700....you are wasting your breath with this guy. He is hell bent on believing his own make-believe reality and all the facts in this world couldn't convince him otherwise.

 

[nostradamus]

700....you are wasting your breath with this guy. He is hell bent on believing his own make-believe reality and all the facts in this world couldn't convince him otherwise.

Your witness counsel, please provide evidence, not rhetoric.

 

[Leonidas]

Explain how it is moot?

Any change in representation does not change the CBA, the new union is bound by the RLA and the NMB rules to enforce any cba they inherit.

IE. UA, NW M&R from IAM to AMFA, WN M&R from IBT to AMFA, NW FAs from IBT to PFAA then AFA, all by law had to enforce the existing CBAs until Section 6 Negotiations came due.

BTW 700uw the west just entered section 6 with the company separately from the east, these usapa fools don't even get what that means for them should they win.

 

[nostradamus]

BTW 700uw the west just entered section 6 with the company separately from the east, these usapa fools don't even get what that means for them should they win.

Pilots should never take advice from a lav truck driver, no matter how much you feel it will serve your greed.

MOD NOTE: The comment above just got this poster 5 days off.

We are reviewing all the subsequent posts, and there will be IMMEDIATE suspensions for further personal attacks and inflammatory comments. NO MORE WARNINGS.

 

[ableoneable]

We can start here. AAA without AWA = Skybus.


http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/19...20FINAL.ppt.pdf

 

[nostradamus]

Studying your link, pease stand by.

 

[nostradamus]

If you want to dance with me provide facts to back up your claim of america west help, period,

Sorry your link does not provide an argument on how awa "saved" us airways, it is a scott kirby power point. He is trying to sell ice cubes to Eskimos on this one.

Please provide evidence on how awa provided anything but a ceo with a history of alchohol problems

 

[ableoneable]

Studying your link, pease stand by.

When you are done go here and read this thread.

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...c=40555&hl=

Others to follow.

 

[nostradamus]

Read the fine print on your witness's statement.

"the ability to integrate management, operations and labor groups following the merger; labor costs, relations with unionized employees generally and the impact and outcome of the labor negotiations; the impact of global instability including the potential impact of current and future hostilities, terrorist attacks, infectious disease outbreaks or other global events; reliance on automated systems and the impact of any failure or disruption of those systems; the impact of future significant operating losses; changes in prevailing interest rates; our high level of fixed"""""""""""""

 

[nostradamus]

When you are done go here and read this thread.

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...c=40555&hl=

Others to follow.

Your point please on this one.

 

[ableoneable]

Get back to the crux of the argument.

AAA was down to about $417mil with a burn rate that would have taken it out in about six weeks.

The only reason any money was ponied up by investors was because of the AWA takeover plan. Absent that plan, no money and no USAir.

 

[nostradamus]

Get back to the crux of the argument.

AAA was down to about $417mil with a burn rate that would have taken it out in about six weeks.

The only reason any money was ponied up by investors was because of the AWA takeover plan. Absent that plan, no money and no USAir.

You are wrong, stand by for facts.