America faces food rationing?

[777 fixer]

You give me too much credit. I'm not that clever, but thanks.

I know you're not that clever. That's why I wouldn't put it past you to create another profile and then use the exact same font size that you like to use.

 

[local 12 proud]

I know you're not that clever. That's why I wouldn't put it past you to create another profile and then use the exact same font size that you like to use.

...Or just maybe "Norton" and "Cabron Che" are siamese twins connected at the head? 😛

Triple Seven, its not just the font size they share. :wacko:

 

[MMB]

When you put "everything" together, in well understood, comprehensive format- It just won't be the U.S., but all of US, in a very turbulent time. Solutions, somewhat simular to solving Rubik's cube, will be the order of the day. Things are going to get very interesting between now, and 2012- In a Pefect Storm- (This article was written 6/4/04)

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/o.../2004/0604.html

People, in their arrogance, believe they can affect the face of the world. In some ways they can, but only for a relatively short time.
People use pipelines and large open viaducts carry water from the Colorado River, across our western desert states where cacti barely grow, to desert cities where the water waste can only be measured in acre-feet as it is used to turn their sand pit cities into personal tropical oasis’s. Developers build huge golfing communities in the middle of those deserts and pipe in water to turn them green. They've grown beyond their ability to steel from the land with technology and still people flock to these lies called cities. So what do they do? They cry about drought and look to the government to ‘fix it’.
Statistically, New Orleans is affected by hurricanes every 4 years and is directly hit by one every 12 years. Many times the area has been declared uninhabitable. Still people move back and, when the next hurricane hits, they blame the government for not doing enough to protect them.
It won't take your 'perfect storm' to screw everybody. Given enough time, people will do it to themselves.

 

[El Che]

You might want to read up on the history of the former Soviet Union. At least with present system in that is curretnly in place you don't people dying by the millions in the gulag, dying from stavation from forced collectivization of being executed outright by the NKVD. May I suggest The Black Book of Communism or The Unquiet Ghosts by Adam Hochschild.

I am aware of the book. Yes the communists killed millions in the name of the "proletariat." But they were just a bunch of thugs acting like thugs do. They no more represented the working class than the capitalist do. How many people have been murdered by right wing tin horn dictators supported by the U.S.? How many third world people have suffered and died by "free market" reforms and IMF austerity programs?
What you have'nt been told is how Wall Street financed the Bolshevicks. You should read Anthony Sutton's book. Its free on line.
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.
Inmany ways Russia today is worse off than under the Soviet regime. Back then people lived in state run apartments with little or no heat. Now thy don't even have that. According to UNICEF, there were 3.5 million homeless children in 2006. In 1989 there were 2 million Russians living in poverty on less than $4.00/day. According to the World Bank, by the mid nineties, after "free market" reforms took place, 74 million Russians were living below the poverty line. Between 1992 and 2006 Russia's population had shrunk by 6.6 million.

 

[TonyB]

I am aware of the book. Yes the communists killed millions in the name of the "proletariat." But they were just a bunch of thugs acting like thugs do. They no more represented the working class than the capitalist do. How many people have been murdered by right wing tin horn dictators supported by the U.S.? How many third world people have suffered and died by "free market" reforms and IMF austerity programs?
What you have'nt been told is how Wall Street financed the Bolshevicks. You should read Anthony Sutton's book. Its free on line.
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.
Inmany ways Russia today is worse off than under the Soviet regime. Back then people lived in state run apartments with little or no heat. Now thy don't even have that. According to UNICEF, there were 3.5 million homeless children in 2006. In 1989 there were 2 million Russians living in poverty on less than $4.00/day. According to the World Bank, by the mid nineties, after "free market" reforms took place, 74 million Russians were living below the poverty line. Between 1992 and 2006 Russia's population had shrunk by 6.6 million.

Che, you worry too much! Those 6.6 million missing Russians didn't disappear. They are women who married fat ugly Westeners who can't get a woman in their own country!
hot russian brides

 

[777 fixer]

I am aware of the book. Yes the communists killed millions in the name of the "proletariat." But they were just a bunch of thugs acting like thugs do. They no more represented the working class than the capitalist do. How many people have been murdered by right wing tin horn dictators supported by the U.S.? How many third world people have suffered and died by "free market" reforms and IMF austerity programs?
What you have'nt been told is how Wall Street financed the Bolshevicks. You should read Anthony Sutton's book. Its free on line.
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.
Inmany ways Russia today is worse off than under the Soviet regime. Back then people lived in state run apartments with little or no heat. Now thy don't even have that. According to UNICEF, there were 3.5 million homeless children in 2006. In 1989 there were 2 million Russians living in poverty on less than $4.00/day. According to the World Bank, by the mid nineties, after "free market" reforms took place, 74 million Russians were living below the poverty line. Between 1992 and 2006 Russia's population had shrunk by 6.6 million.

I am aware of the book.

Then read it. Read the part about the guy whose picture you have in your avatar Ed. He's not the hero some people make him out to be. And don't forget "The Unqueit Ghost".

Yes the communists killed millions in the name of the "proletariat." But they were just a bunch of thugs acting like thugs do. They no more represented the working class than the capitalist do.

You almost sound like an apologist with that sort of non-sense. Here is a simple fact you cannot get around. In every country where you have had followers of the communist ideology, i.e. communists, a number of things happen. Either imprisonment of those they deem suspect, show trials, starvation from forced collectivization, or mass executions. Or a combination of all four.

Inmany ways Russia today is worse off than under the Soviet regime

Tell that to the tens of million murdered in the under the Soviet regime. Tell that to the millions more put into gulags who commited no real crimes, just those imagines by the state.

According to UNICEF, there were 3.5 million homeless children in 2006. In 1989 there were 2 million Russians living in poverty on less than $4.00/day. According to the World Bank, by the mid nineties, after "free market" reforms took place, 74 million Russians were living below the poverty line. Between 1992 and 2006 Russia's population had shrunk by 6.6 million.

Here are some numbers for you to crunch. Figure out what the population of Russia would be if the communists had not taken power and undertook a campaign of terror.

 

[El Che]

Lets not forget the inquisition of Holy Catholic and Apostolic church along with the Conquistadores who murdered millions in the name of God. Convert or die! The sad truth is that DEAD is DEAD, no matter who does the killing.
Dr. Ernesto "Che" Guevara was a child of priviledge. Trecking through out Latin America he saw the inequalitiy and poverty that was rampant in a continent with abundant natural wealth and resources. He also noticed the not so subtle presence of the imperialist tentacles of the U.S. and the corporations that own it. He took up arms along with Fidel Castro and overthrough the U.S. puppet government in Cuba. Of course Castro is a bad guy because you've been told he is. I bet you didn't know Castro had support from the U.S. in his endeavor. This is the modus operandi of the U.S.. Batista must have pissed off the U.S. to the point that Castro was allowed take over. Personaly I'm not a fan of Castro nor do I vilify him. I see a poor island nation with a high literacy rate and the highest rate of black doctors in the hemisphere. I do believe Castro may have betrayed Che Guevara to appease the U.S.. I can't otherwise understand why he has been allowed to stick around for so long.
I am fully aware of Che's Marxist tendencies. I am aware he killed people during his struggle to rid Latin America of the yoke of the capitalist imperialist "yanqui." At a point in his life Che became frustarted with the beureacratic aparatus of Russia and its eastern European puppets. I'm sure if he knew that the same people who ran Wall Street, ran the Bolshoviks he would have distanced himself from them ASAP. That is my speculation. I believe Che was a Latin American populist who was fed up with 500 years of (Latin) America being under one form of colonialism or another, more than a communist. I believe Che Guevara more akin to Simon Bolivar, than Karl Marx. Speaking of Simon Bolivar, Hugo Chavez is the new boogey man. Never mind that he was freely elected. Venezuela sits on a large pool of oil and much of the wealth it generates is used improve the lot of its people. Hugo Chavez biggest sin is this: he is cutting into the usury business of the IMF and the World Bank. With Chavez around, Latin American countries do not have to rely on high interest loans from IMF or the austerity programs those loans require. They do not have to lower their tariffs which protect their industries or "privatize" their industries to "yanqui" corporations.
When the U.S. decides to take out Chavez (again), no doubt the corporate media will talk about ties to al qaida and the usual pre war propaganda hype used to rouse the sheep.
So you can keep your book, I already have a few books laying around which I need to finsih. You should read the Communist Manifesto. You would be surprised the similarities with it and what the U.S. has turned into; all planned for the benefit of the ruling elite. Not good for us.

 

[777 fixer]

So you can keep your book, I already have a few books laying around which I need to finsih. You should read the Communist Manifesto. You would be surprised the similarities with it and what the U.S. has turned into; all planned for the benefit of the ruling elite. Not good for us.

Translation, you don't want to read it becasue you are afraid it would destroy this little fantasy you have about people like Che and the true nature of communism. Real nice Ed.

 

[El Che]

Translation, you don't want to read it becasue you are afraid it would destroy this little fantasy you have about people like Che and the true nature of communism. Real nice Ed.

I am afraid you have lost my meaning in YOUR translation of my words. To me communism/capitalism are two sides of the same coin, both controlled by banking and ruling elites. Communism was allowed to die because it served its purpose; which was to build a huge military industrial complex in the U.S.,and have a captive population in Russia; where the capitalists could have a monopoly through a captive market. There was no competition in the Soviet Union, much like there is very little here in the U.S. today. Haven't you noticed all the bank mergers, oil company mergers, airline mergers, mergers out the wazoo. The deregulation of cable, electricity and other once public utilities have brought nothing but increased prices.
Capitalists talk a good like of trash about "free market" but all they are is monopoly men. When communism "fell," Gorbachev was hoping to base his new economy on the Scandanavian model, and hoping for a new Marshal Plan to rebuild his country. That was not to be, for the Soviet Union was desolved and Boris Yeltsin somehow became the leader of the new Russia. It was Yeltsin who unleashed the jackals of "free market" reform upon his people. Ironically, the ones who benefited from all this was the old communists and their families who became millionaires almost over night; they are known as "the oligarchs" in Russia. In China its pretty much the same. It is the grand children of Mao and his lot who are the millionaires, while the rest of China is the sweat shop to the world. By the way, how does a "communist" country like China (who supplied weapons and troops to N. Korea during the Korean War, and weapons and advisors to N. Vietnam during that war) deserve most favored nation trading status, while a "communist" country like Cuba is allowed to starve?
To put Ernesto Guevara de la Serna in the same category as the murderers Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot is like putting George Washington in the same category as the crooks Nixon, Clinton(s), Daddy Bush and Little Bush.
You are bringing me flash backs of my childhood. My mother always called me her "special" boy. But I always wondered who the hell ED was? 😱

 

[777 fixer]

To put Ernesto Guevara de la Serna in the same category as the murderers Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot

No he was not a mass murderer like those guys. He was nothing more, to use your own words, a thug. Afterall, what's the difference between him and some NKVD agent doing his job?

To me communism/capitalism are two sides of the same coin, both controlled by banking and ruling elites. Communism was allowed to die because it served its purpose; which was to build a huge military industrial complex in the U.S.,and have a captive population in Russia; where the capitalists could have a monopoly through a captive market.

Well if capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin and both controlled by banking and ruling elites it means one thing. That your hero Che Guevara was either a dupe or part of the conspiracy. He did hold a position of leadership did he not?

What you said about communism's purpose being to build a military industrial complex makes no sense. When the communists first took power in Russia the US military was very small. The reason there was a build up was to fight Germany, not the USSR. After the war ended the US miliatry by in large was demoblilized. In fact when the second world war started Romoania had a larger army than the US. Once again the miliatry industrial complex you mentioned was built to fight the Facists, not the communists. Heck, a lot of the equipment built was sent to the USSR.

 

[777 fixer]

I believe this is just the beginning of some really rough times coming our way.

....But have cheer, we've still got American Idol! :huh:

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