American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Racer X]

You have got to be freakin kidding me!! The IAM would NOT have won the election between TWU and IAM if an election was warranted. This is why the IAM made damn sure that there was no election. The IAM was scared to freakin death that they would have been removed from the ranks if there was a vote. You know very well P.Rez, that if there was a vote from this merger that the TWU would have EASILY won the majority vote. Quit kidding yourself. If you lean towards the IAM side, you need to be removed from nego's. You should remain imparcial and nego for both sides equally. WOW!!!

I believe Prez was referring to the America West/ Usairways merger.

 

[B737 driver]

I believe Prez was referring to the America West/ Usairways merger.

If it was that, that makes sense as the USair mechanics ranks were a lot bigger than America West.

 

[Tim Nelson]

i personally dont think the militancy of the hotel had anything to do with it as Trotti and others just got more furious. Not sure that the IAM would have won an election.

Boland was a great friend of mine and we had already met about the ibew. Then he put forth the plan and got close to a 100% signup in phl and a great signup in clt until the ibew pulled the plag after the iam settled with them.

Trotti, Rez, and some other TWU peeps would have had an easy victory if they sat down with the right people instead of scheduling general meetings without consent of those that mattered.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Which LM-2, 580 or International?

No way LAA would have voted in the IAM after them imposing the mess of TWA which cost each and every nAAtive on the property dearly. You all should have been integrated under TWU agreement-no more IAMNPF, no more catering, LUS health care, small stations like ONT, SJC, MCI, SLC, etc.

Josh

i can assure you, out of 1500 fsc in ord, not a single soul would vote for sitos iam. His sabatoging of nego for the sake of the pension is well known.

 

[Racer X]

You have got to be freakin kidding me!! The IAM would NOT have won the election between TWU and IAM if an election was warranted. This is why the IAM made damn sure that there was no election. The IAM was scared to freakin death that they would have been removed from the ranks if there was a vote. You know very well P.Rez, that if there was a vote from this merger that the TWU would have EASILY won the majority vote. Quit kidding yourself. If you lean towards the IAM side, you need to be removed from nego's. You should remain imparcial and nego for both sides equally. WOW!!!

i can assure you, out of 1500 fsc in ord, not a single soul would vote for sitos iam. His sabatoging of nego for the sake of the pension is well known.

saw that by last vote

 

[Racer X]

http://www.post-gazette.com/busines...ways-America-West-merger/stories/200604020236
Any hope of a trouble-free US Airways-America West Airlines merger ended with a bloody, bare-fisted tussle between rival unions the morning of Feb. 8.

Ancient history

 

[CremaDiLimone]

When that happened it was easy to see this process would take longer, but losing leverage? Hardly.

Don't see how making $24 an hour, while others are at $30 gives us any leverage, especially over a period of 2 years.

i don't see too many calling the company unyielding or uncompromising or inflexible or greedy, stingy. i'd say unions have lost leverage the past 3-4 decades, not because aa decided to put us on par with dl's, ua's and southwest's hourly wages.

if anything, that showed aa's fear of tens of thousands of disgruntled workers negatively affect the reliability and dependability of the operation.

 

[ALUS78]

Parker was just in SJU and was showed a FB posting where someone claimed the Station would be closed if we went into Section 6. Parker stated emphatically that SJU would not be closed.

Now you can believe him in that area or not it’s up to you.

Again do you seriously believe the Company would want that sort of bad blood (Bad Faith) by closing any of those Stations on the possible chopping block and do you think the fate of a few hundred individuals is going to persuade the Association to capitulate to an unacceptable deal for 18,000 Ramp Agents? I highly doubt it.

The small rise in wages at DL and UAL would apply some small pressure yes.

Parker made similar comments before dehubbing PIT.To think they wont use those cities in bargaining is naive

 

[swamt]

http://www.post-gazette.com/busines...ways-America-West-merger/stories/200604020236
Any hope of a trouble-free US Airways-America West Airlines merger ended with a bloody, bare-fisted tussle between rival unions the morning of Feb. 8.

Wow! That brought back some memories. Question about that, did the US Air employees that were fired for this rumble remained fired or did they get their jobs back? I do not remember the outcome...

 

[Jester]

Parker made similar comments before dehubbing PIT.To think they wont use those cities in bargaining is naive

Nope Parker wasn’t CEO when PIT was dehubbed.

That occurred at the end of the first bankruptcy in 2003, the CEO was Dave Siegel.

Parker didn’t take over as CEO until 2005 after the merger was done at the end of the second bankruptcy.

Yes, Parker de-hubbed LAS and the announcement was made just weeks after a PHX town hall meeting when an employee asked if there was plans to downsize LAS as what happened in PIT. I remember it well as I was in the audience. Parker gave a short answer of there being no plans to reduce LAS flight schedule, and we know the rest of the story. To be sure, the (former) Tempe Boys must have known of plans to de-hub LAS just weeks before the formal announcement, so obviously Parker lied, and I would take no comfort in Parker's statements regarding station closures.

 

[Buck]

Concerning representation, if at the Merger the common practice is that the larger union becomes the sole bargaining agent for the respective members.
It is a mystery that somehow the IAM was allowed to remain a bargaining agent.

 

[Buck]

Over on Facebook, I have been in a conversation concerning negotiations etal..
A certain individual tried to make a fool out of me and really all Mechanics that
are only guessing at the status of our contract. He came on and informed me
that we the AMT's have an AMT on the negotiation committee and that he is a VP
at the International. So I bit that hook and the AMT he was speaking of is
Gary Petersen. I hope that individual who informed me as to this information
has lost all of his credibility. That is what is wrong with the TWU they have no
credibility.

 

[B737 driver]

Over on Facebook, I have been in a conversation concerning negotiations etal..
A certain individual tried to make a fool out of me and really all Mechanics that
are only guessing at the status of our contract. He came on and informed me
that we the AMT's have an AMT on the negotiation committee and that he is a VP
at the International. So I bit that hook and the AMT he was speaking of is
Gary Petersen. I hope that individual who informed me as to this information
has lost all of his credibility. That is what is wrong with the TWU they have no
credibility.

Believe half of what you read on social media. On your station clossings or down sizing what does your contract language say about money for moving expenses. One of the things we gained in this agreement in principle. Is any new maintenance stations that they opened . They had to keep open for three years. If they close it, the company must give a year notice, pay $25,000 per person, plus moving expenses.

 

[Buck]

Believe half of what you read on social media. On your station clossings or down sizing what does your contract language say about money for moving expenses. One of the things we gained in this agreement in principle. Is any new maintenance stations that they opened . They had to keep open for three years. If they close it, the company must give a year notice, pay $25,000 per person, plus moving expenses.

Oh, c'mon quit making up stories.

 

[WeAAsles]

Over on Facebook, I have been in a conversation concerning negotiations etal..
A certain individual tried to make a fool out of me and really all Mechanics that
are only guessing at the status of our contract. He came on and informed me
that we the AMT's have an AMT on the negotiation committee and that he is a VP
at the International. So I bit that hook and the AMT he was speaking of is
Gary Petersen. I hope that individual who informed me as to this information
has lost all of his credibility. That is what is wrong with the TWU they have no
credibility.

When I look on the TWU Local 591 Webpage it still shows Gary Peterson as the President. I think Local 591 represents AMT’s and I thought Gary Peterson was a Licenced AMT also? Isn’t he?

I know it was TUL who once voted in an FSC as their President. That was a real kick to witness.