American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Yay! We could get to $100 an hour....

Solution is a one time mid contract wage adjustment that keeps us “X” amount above either Delta or United.

There is a wage adjustment look back I believe in the recently ratified UAL IBT Mechanic Contract.

 

[WeAAsles]

What happens if all other groups have the same language?

I found it. Always pays to do the research.

And goodness it’s a lot more than one time too.

 

[Racer X]

Yay! We could get to $100 an hour....

I guess

Yay! We could get to $100 an hour....

I guess you are not understanding or you wouldn’t be so condescending.
I’m saying ONCE a year we would get an increase of either ( example only ) 2% of our current rate OR 1 % above the the pay rate of the highest in the industry.
IF.....( in your scenario, that by the way doesn’t exist right now) another carrier had same language then they would pass us on THEIR date of increase.
We would not IMMEDIATELY pass them, we would only do that on our next date of increase.
That would either be the 2% of our wage OR 1%
Above that said carrier. Then the process would continue until amendable date...
Hope that explains it better so that you don’t feel the need to condescend again.

 

[WeAAsles]

Racer X do you see that IBT language. Looks like our Negotiators can ask for adjustments and it’s not Industry unreasonable either.

I love finding and reading Contract language.

 

[NYer]

Solution is a one time mid contract wage adjustment that keeps us “X” amount above either Delta or United.

There is a wage adjustment look back I believe in the recently ratified UAL IBT Mechanic Contract.

You'd have to wait until 2023.

 

[WeAAsles]

You'd have to wait until 2023.

Excuse me?

They’re look back starts at 24 Months. So it is every 2 years and then a reset on the amendable date and every year they don’t have a new agreement.

Essentially though the point is that of course we can have an industry reset and I heard a very long time ago it was quite common.

 

[NYer]

I guess

I guess you are not understanding or you wouldn’t be so condescending.
I’m saying ONCE a year we would get an increase of either ( example only ) 2% of our current rate OR 1 % above the the pay rate of the highest in the industry.
IF.....( in your scenario, that by the way doesn’t exist right now) another carrier had same language then they would pass us on THEIR date of increase.
We would not IMMEDIATELY pass them, we would only do that on our next date of increase.
That would either be the 2% of our wage OR 1%
Above that said carrier. Then the process would continue until amendable date...
Hope that explains it better so that you don’t feel the need to condescend again.

Wouldn't help with UA, (assuming we end up 3% above them with the 2.5% annual step raises) but it may with DL depending on whether they keep giving raises once AA and UA are tied into CBA's for the next 4 or 5 years.

 

[NYer]

Excuse me?

They’re look back starts at 24 Months. So it is every 2 years and then a reset on the amendable date and every year they don’t have a new agreement.

Essentially though the point is that of course we can have an industry reset and I heard a very long time ago it was quite common.

Didn't read the "maintenance" part.

 

[WeAAsles]

Didn't read the "maintenance" part.

Copy.

 

[Racer X]

Wouldn't help with UA, (assuming we end up 3% above them with the 2.5% annual step raises) but it may with DL depending on whether they keep giving raises once AA and UA are tied into CBA's for the next 4 or 5 years.

It WOULD help us if UA passed us and/or delta pass us.
Our proposal was based on the next highest paid.

 

[NYer]

It WOULD help us if UA passed us and/or delta pass us.
Our proposal was based on the next highest paid.

If we go 3% above UA with 2.5% annual raises they wouldn't pass us until their next CBA, at least 4 years from now. It may help with DL if they keep giving raises after we get tied into a JCBA.

 

[Racer X]

If we go 3% above UA with 2.5% annual raises they wouldn't pass us until their next CBA, at least 4 years from now. It may help with DL if they keep giving raises after we get tied into a JCBA.

Your scenario was “ what if they have the same language”

 

[NYer]

Your scenario was “ what if they have the same language”

OK

 

[WeAAsles]

Way to go TWU Local 513!!!!!!!!

 

[Racer X]

OK

Do you not remember that? Or are you agreeing?