American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

Tim I never thought I would say this but now that I know the FULL details of what the Company wants I have to say Thank You VERY MUCH for putting the cuffs on Sito that he can’t accept till April 2019.

That gives the underground resistance time to regroup and regain strength. I never thought I would join them but this time I plan on being one of their Leaders. NYer and his friend use to call them the “Hate Posse” or the “Vote No Coalition”

I’m going to make sure you get Honorable Mention Tim. You’re too weird for us to let you join, but honorable mention is a good thing for your ego. Honorable Mention.

No need for resistance, you support Alex and Sito and nothing can come back without their blessing.

Fleet Association Constitution Article IV, Section 2(d): "No Tentative Agreement will be submitted to the Employee members for a ratification vote without both (1) a majority vote of the Negotiating Committee, and (2) the approval of both the Chairperson and the Vice Chairperson or their designees."

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW the other day my Local President Sidney Jimenez posted this as supposed proof that he was never asked to join the Negotiating Committee back a few years earlier. He quickly deleted the post when I caught how it said

Re: NC (Negotiations Committee)

Which meant that he had been asked and he was so incredibly VAIN that the little Baby actually needed a physical phone call to feel a widdle Special.

Uh No they didn’t call his needy little ass.

 

[WeAAsles]

No need for resistance, you support Alex and Sito and nothing can come back without their blessing.

Fleet Association Constitution Article IV, Section 2(d): "No Tentative Agreement will be submitted to the Employee members for a ratification vote without both (1) a majority vote of the Negotiating Committee, and (2) the approval of both the Chairperson and the Vice Chairperson or their designees."

I’m sorry I don’t know Sito but I do know Alex.

Are you saying that you don’t support the Union Negotiators?

Oh My God are you a COMPANY MAN NYer?

I mean I NEVER read you say ANYTHING against or critical of the Company. OMG!!!!!

 

[NYer]

I’m sorry I don’t know Sito but I do know Alex.

Are you saying that you don’t support the Union Negotiators?

Oh My God are you a COMPANY MAN NYer?

I mean I NEVER read you say ANYTHING against or critical of the Company. OMG!!!!!

Can always tell when someone hits a nerve. You become an insult machine and lose all decorum. 😵

 

[WeAAsles]

Can always tell when someone hits a nerve. You become an insult machine and lose all decorum. 😵

Just pointing out that you say I support Alex and Sito who are the Union Executives for the Association and the Executive Negotiators themselves. You kind of allude that you don’t support them? So by default if you don’t support them trying to gain the best possible Contracts for all of us, I just have to wonder if maybe you’re a Company man instead?

Would saying that you support the Company who compensates you mean that you’re not a Company man?

And I also informed you that I don’t know Brother Pantoja and have never met or spoken to him but yes I do consider Brother Garcia to be a friend.

Now if you’re TWU does that bother you?

And I guess claiming someone has “Handlers” is not an insult in your World? Uh huh SMH.

 

[WeAAsles]

Can always tell when someone hits a nerve. You become an insult machine and lose all decorum. 😵

Oh and through these Negotiations can you offer up any criticism of the Company in all respect? Has there been anything the Company has done that you disagree with?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

so ww3 started up because NYer won't give his opinion on aa shooting for 40% PT out of the total number of clerks?

weaasles - hanging on in quiet desperation is the english thing to do. we will fight them on the beaches, will we fight them in the streets....i like your spirit, but lus insurance will be gone. i'm thinking the company will scale back the 40% PT ratio along with keeping the status quo regarding lavs/water as part of that exchange??

if we get all that settled and we end up over $32/hr without differential on DOS, this thing will pass like a fdr (twu voters) x alf landon (iam voters) landslide 1936 election.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Way to go TWU Local 513!!!!!!!!

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lots of good stuff in there...was disappointed that kerry and david didn't tell us more.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I don’t know who these “handlers” are. But It there sure seems like there’s a lot of them

If one were to research their genealogy, the tree would have few biological, but many digital branches.

The actual 'handlers' are here to divide us, distract us, and direct complete contempt toward the union(s). You will notice there is never any mention of the abrogation of our respective agreements in BK. All of those negative consequences are now the union's fault!

>SPIT<

 

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[ATD]

I do not trust these company leaders just look at their past.
I also do not trust our union leadership, remember you will get to vote on who represents you. Liars??????
At the end of the day everyone works because they have to. The days of standing up for what's right is or over. Everyone I have talked to will vote yes, no trust in company no trust in union.
I just saw Peterson video, now had Alex and Sito been with him at his side and singing the same tune then, I would have believed they did not have a behind close door meeting with Parker.
The union is all about #'s. And the company is all about #'s you cant trust either.
We are in a world of hurt when we are relying on people like Alex and Sito and Peterson to negotiate a contract that is reasonable.
A bird in the hand.........

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I just saw Peterson video, now had Alex and Sito been with him at his side and singing the same tune then, I would have believed they did not have a behind close door meeting with Parker.

i heard they were all at starbucks, with the twu super-duper executive committee teaching parker/isom/johnsen an anti-twu bias class.

johnsen ordered a latte with 40% milk. he loved it.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I do not trust these company leaders just look at their past.
I also do not trust our union leadership, remember you will get to vote on who represents you. Liars??????
At the end of the day everyone works because they have to. The days of standing up for what's right is or over. Everyone I have talked to will vote yes, no trust in company no trust in union.
I just saw Peterson video, now had Alex and Sito been with him at his side and singing the same tune then, I would have believed they did not have a behind close door meeting with Parker.
The union is all about #'s. And the company is all about #'s you cant trust either.
We are in a world of hurt when we are relying on people like Alex and Sito and Peterson to negotiate a contract that is reasonable.
A bird in the hand.........

What you just described is called "Capitalism"... of course both the union(s) and the Company are "about numbers". The company has to sell shareholders on increasing numbers of dollars, and investers. The Union in turn, needs the Airline to grow, make profits, and to increase numbers of represented workers.

However, the good thing for you is, Union Membership in America is all but evaporated, and is approching single digits. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-rate-in-u-s-held-at-record-low-of-10-7-in-17

The Airlines are one of the last vestiges of capitalism that are predominantly unionized, This will however change as time progresses due to efforts in Washington to weaken the RLA. Legislation is proposed to make the entire US a "Right to Work" entity. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/785
this will defund, and eventually kill the Airline Unions!

So in essence, the good thing is this --50% of your complaint will be GONE, as you can remove unions from the equation altogether. All you will have left to complain about in the future is the Company! ENJOY, and savor your current bout of disgruntlement, and make this moment last!

And yes AAnotok... it will be FUNNY... f-ing hilarious!

>SPIT<

 

[Tim Nelson]

This didn't age well either: "One more time. This will absolutely NOT drag out all the way to September of 2018 which is 2 years and 4 months from now, or 28 more months. Let's get out of this doom and gloom mindset. PLEASE." - - WeAAsles

nobody listens to him. His handlers have overused him to the point of reducing his opinion down to tabloid.

 

[AANOTOK]

Oh, quite whining about me >SPITMONT< and keep producing those "winner medals" for your buddy.
You must manufacture those babies, they are endless.

Thanks Gary for the video, but again, no plan of action. It is now a trifecta. I have heard nothing from the Association, TWU or IAM. The closest thing I have heard is the IAM (and I'll be careful with my words) feel there is a strong possibility of section 6.