American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[PIEDMONT784]

If you’re missing any 8-tracks from your Columbia House Library, let me know...I even have two “I will survive” Gloria Gaynor tapes.

I would hang on to those... Tim will need at least one for his post campaign road show theme music...
It think it reminds him of IAH...

 

[WeAAsles]

A page out of the m.o.u. that formed the association. Paragraph D gives iam total veto power

Yes it does. Just as much as it gives us in the TWU veto power as well.

If concensus is not reached on both sides for Negotiation purposes there will not be a deal made with AA Management.

We will linger on.

 

[WeAAsles]

I watched this video and could not agree more. The company is trying to negotiate through Jetnet. My personal feeling is the members want to see the association proposal. The IAM will lose their medical and pension. The IAM receives nothing in the companies proposal. They already get 10 holidays. The increase of 10,000.00 dollars to our annual pay will be wiped out by the Medical, leaving the mechanics about 4000.00. I for one want to continue negotiate for a much better contract.

Matt I do agree at this point and feel that yes maybe the Association should release the details of what they proposed last to the Company.

From what I’ve heard though most of it is still what was proposed to them back in December 2015 but maybe they should put out an update to reiterate that?

 

[ALUS78]

Oh, quite whining about me >SPITMONT< and keep producing those "winner medals" for your buddy.
You must manufacture those babies, they are endless.

Thanks Gary for the video, but again, no plan of action. It is now a trifecta. I have heard nothing from the Association, TWU or IAM. The closest thing I have heard is the IAM (and I'll be careful with my words) feel there is a strong possibility of section 6.

Sounds to me the Ass is digging themselves a deeper hole thats what Im getying out of every videos.....
Except Tims of course

 

[ATD]

Sito is going to hold negotiations hostage so he doesn't get unelected.

AA is 2/3 of the members he does not have the right to hold us hostages over health insurance and pensions not even the pilots or the flight attendants got. He is powerful

 

[WeAAsles]

Sito is going to hold negotiations hostage so he doesn't get unelected.

AA is 2/3 of the members he does not have the right to hold us hostages over health insurance and pensions not even the pilots or the flight attendants got. He is powerful

Can you show us something where the IAM has any upcoming elections? This Sito the Zombie Boogeyman schtick would be hilarious if it wasn’t so utterly pathetic.

 

[ALUS78]

If you’re missing any 8-tracks from your Columbia House Library, let me know...I even have two “I will survive” Gloria Gaynor tapes.

Any of those K-tel records with groups sounding like the original artists?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sito is going to hold negotiations hostage so he doesn't get unelected.

AA is 2/3 of the members he does not have the right to hold us hostages over health insurance and pensions not even the pilots or the flight attendants got. He is powerful

the local chairman conference was an anti Tim Nelson week. The organizing reports were that all organizing drives havent even got to elections because of tim nelson. lmfao.
Not because the pension thieves, nepotism and botched campaigns.

Then Mr Martinez stood up and slammed his fist on the podium sayinvg that he will tell the dol to go F itself. lol.

I actually got martinez cuffed last year where he signed off to the dol to waive iam rights indefinately regarding the 2016 fake election.
.
Im in charge of most of this union now as i have collared the EC on many fronts for the benefit of our wonderful membsrs. Ive also cuffed Sito, due to his election, so our wonderful health care benefits can be secured from Sitos hand.

lololol

 

[MetalMover]

Sito is going to hold negotiations hostage so he doesn't get unelected.

AA is 2/3 of the members he does not have the right to hold us hostages over health insurance and pensions not even the pilots or the flight attendants got. He is powerful

And being held hostage we are.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Here you go the CWA/IBT shift swap language


They whipsawed the reservations agents and the airport agents and allowed RES to have less restricted swap's in just about all areas

Need votes!

Shift Swap OFF 32 per calendar quarter and has to be submitted by 1600hr the day before

Shift exchange in a 30-day period will not count

30 minute overlay ***MAY*** be approved

Employees may swap with 2 other employees

Partial trades minimum 1 hour in ½ hour increments e.g. (1.5) (2.0) (2.5) these count toward 32 quantifier

Can only work 16 hour hours in a 24hour period excluding meal periods

Can only work 14 hours on consecutive days excluding meal periods

Shift Trade can be cancel do to leave of absence paid or unpaid, transfer, jury duty, schedule rebid, OJI, termination

Like I said yesterday a BIG change for LAA. No back to back full doubles? No same day CS's? The Overlap policy NEEDS to be spelled out in writing. This proposed new policy is NO good. CB and Prez please fix those things I don't possibly understand how those could cost the company much money but they will cost us a lot of frustration.

 

[lax]

Here you go the CWA/IBT shift swap language


They whipsawed the reservations agents and the airport agents and allowed RES to have less restricted swap's in just about all areas

Need votes!

Shift Swap OFF 32 per calendar quarter and has to be submitted by 1600hr the day before

Shift exchange in a 30-day period will not count

30 minute overlay ***MAY*** be approved

Employees may swap with 2 other employees

Partial trades minimum 1 hour in ½ hour increments e.g. (1.5) (2.0) (2.5) these count toward 32 quantifier

Can only work 16 hour hours in a 24hour period excluding meal periods

Can only work 14 hours on consecutive days excluding meal periods

Shift Trade can be cancel do to leave of absence paid or unpaid, transfer, jury duty, schedule rebid, OJI, termination

That's awful!

 

[Jester]

Crema under that IAM language they can make an entire HUB PT and still have plenty of room to make PT all over the place. They can actually make a few HUBS PT and still be at a 40% Cap.

Thankfully they did TA some language that prevents some back to back shifts but they can still make some shifts back to back if they total over 9 hours. So they can make shifts that are 5 and 5 or 5 and 6 or even 6 and 6 and not violate the new contract.

I did review the current TWU contract and I found it to be remarkably liberal in permissible part-time back-to-back shifts. Pretty much not allowed within a 9-hour stretch (4 & 4, 4 & 5, or 4 & 4 with one hour gap); however, 5 & 5 are permissible even as 10-hour full-time shifts are allowed. Overlapping shifts are permitted so long as they are more than 30 minutes. Given the push for more part-time shifts by the Company, the TWU language makes it remarkably easy to use part-time in place of full-time lines.

You’re 100% right. Going to be at least 3 more years. Maybe even 4.

Even if the Section 6 goes against the LUS, they may argue they were able to get their healthcare for another 3-6 years, so that's a victory to them.

Here you go the CWA/IBT shift swap language


They whipsawed the reservations agents and the airport agents and allowed RES to have less restricted swap's in just about all areas

Need votes!

Shift Swap OFF 32 per calendar quarter and has to be submitted by 1600hr the day before

Shift exchange in a 30-day period will not count

30 minute overlay ***MAY*** be approved

Employees may swap with 2 other employees

Partial trades minimum 1 hour in ½ hour increments e.g. (1.5) (2.0) (2.5) these count toward 32 quantifier

Can only work 16 hour hours in a 24hour period excluding meal periods

Can only work 14 hours on consecutive days excluding meal periods

Shift Trade can be cancel do to leave of absence paid or unpaid, transfer, jury duty, schedule rebid, OJI, termination

Sounds much like the IAM fleet restrictions, but they are workable. Although 30 minutes overlap for trades is permissible which makes sense from a company's operational needs for uninterrupted coverage.

Like I said yesterday a BIG change for LAA. No back to back full doubles? No same day CS's? The Overlap policy NEEDS to be spelled out in writing. This proposed new policy is NO good. CB and Prez please fix those things I don't possibly understand how those could cost the company much money but they will cost us a lot of frustration.

LUS allows only two back-to-back full-time doubles due to safety and fatigue issues. 30-minute overlap policy is in writing (I think) as it doesn't require Management permission. Most trades (swaps) required to be completed 24 hours in advance as to provide adequate time for accurate staffing rooster (although it has been commonly allowed with written Management approval, but discouraged). To be sure, day-of trades are disallowed, thus swaps to cover sick-outs between trading partners aren't common.

 

[cltrat]

gulfcoast I haven’t looked much at the proposed policy but I know we can currently do back to back doubles 16hr. We can’t do three unless it is ot. In other words they don’t mind you doing those doubles for benefiting them just not ok when benefiting you

 

[AANOTOK]

Any of those K-tel records with groups sounding like the original artists?

I knew it wasn't laryngitis like my parents kept telling me. I got ripped off!

 

[WeAAsles]

I did review the current TWU contract and I found it to be remarkably liberal in permissible part-time back-to-back shifts. Pretty much not allowed within a 9-hour stretch (4 & 4, 4 & 5, or 4 & 4 with one hour gap); however, 5 & 5 are permissible even as 10-hour full-time shifts are allowed. Overlapping shifts are permitted so long as they are more than 30 minutes. Given the push for more part-time shifts by the Company, the TWU language makes it remarkably easy to use part-time in place of full-time lines.


Even if the Section 6 goes against the LUS, they may argue they were able to get their healthcare for another 3-6 years, so that's a victory to them.


Sounds much like the IAM fleet restrictions, but they are workable. Although 30 minutes overlap for trades is permissible which makes sense from a company's operational needs for uninterrupted coverage.



LUS allows only two back-to-back full-time doubles due to safety and fatigue issues. 30-minute overlap policy is in writing (I think) as it doesn't require Management permission. Most trades (swaps) required to be completed 24 hours in advance as to provide adequate time for accurate staffing rooster (although it has been commonly allowed with written Management approval, but discouraged). To be sure, day-of trades are disallowed, thus swaps to cover sick-outs between trading partners aren't common.

You might want to get used to that TWU back to back language (wink wink) And unless I missed it and this is not looking to be a contest, you guys have no language whatsoever restricting the Company’s use of PT. Hell you even have 3 hour shifts.

http://iam141.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/aa_us_airways_ima_fleet_contract.pdf

And I was kidding about the 3 or 4 more years but who the hell knows?