American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

Congrats

I was just trying to help explain the intent of the language

much oblige. it's a public service and someone asked.

i'm incredulous to the whole thing because i'm not a big cs guy, but aa's liberal cs policy itself, is the seed of so much corruption, i wouldn't know where to start.

i blame union big-shots too. they enable the ass-kissers and scammers because they get their asses kissed by these people.

it's on page 1 of the lazy, scammer, piece of crap fsc manual. make friends with mngt., union people and every c/c.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

One of his E Board told me yesterday that he bought himself this for Christmas. Nope Al he certainly doesn’t need me to buy him a coffee now does he.

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a hot european coffee goes well with a payday bar.

i have a $600 saeco odea myself.

if i was a local president and had a secret slush fund, i focus on paying a competent secretary.

 

[gulfcoast1]

much oblige. it's a public service and someone asked.

i'm incredulous to the whole thing because i'm not a big cs guy, but aa's liberal cs policy itself, is the seed of so much corruption, i wouldn't know where to start.

i blame union big-shots too. they enable the ass-kissers and scammers because they get their asses kissed by these people.

it's on page 1 of the lazy, scammer, piece of crap fsc manual. make friends with mngt., union people and every c/c.

If this is your concern, which I completely disagree with, I fail to see how requiring employees to get approval from the people you complain are playing favorites will improve the situation. It sounds like a scenario to make it worse.

You have given some examples of people abusing the policy, but your statement above makes it sound like that is the rule rather than the exception. I have worked in many stations, including yours I believe, and in my experience 99.9% of the thousands of CS's done each year are just people wanting to take advantage of the flexibility our jobs and our contract allows. I am skeptical that whatever bad things going on in any LAA station require a 24 hour policy remedy. I am also skeptical that 24 hours advanced notice will solve many problems. The people who abuse the system now will just abuse it 24 hours earlier. Not only do we have to worry about the company taking away perks little by little, now it appears we have to worry about each other. Punishing the majority for the mistakes of a few is a company thing to do. It really sucks that our unions want to do it now too.

It is enough to make me glad most of my career is behind me. This job used to be a lot of fun. I did not expect it to get better after 9/11 and bankruptcy. But I also did not expect our union to just roll over and accept a change that makes our schedules less flexible when it is not an expensive item for the company. I hope the TWU gang at least got a kiss from the IAM before they left that day because they were had.

And again, no, I don't do a lot of CS's. I just get irritated when people I pay to help make my job better, make it worse.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

The vote for Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) was overwhelmingly voted in by Democrats and Republicans. I'm not sure what relaxed BK regulations you're talking about or quoting but the bipartisan congress voted for the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978 also.

What I'm saying is IMO you can't blame one party or their lobbies for legislation sent to the POTUS by both parties.

I will also add that it was a Democrat who introduced the Airline Deregulation Act and it passed with overwhelming support from both parties. Before this act the airlines were required to maintain their own aircraft, it has been going downhill since then..

Dude, I'm not going down this rabbit hole here, but research will reveal the truth...
"follow the money" works every time!

http://blogs.harvard.edu/bankruptcyroundtable/2014/06/24/bankruptcys-corporate-tax-loophole/

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/02/business/proposed-law-on-bankruptcy-has-loophole.html

Just like Clinton getting blamed for NANFA when it was actually Reagan and Bush Sr's bill!

https://www.thebalance.com/history-of-nafta-3306272

 

[Tim Nelson]

The vote for Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) was overwhelmingly voted in by Democrats and Republicans. I'm not sure what relaxed BK regulations you're talking about or quoting but the bipartisan congress voted for the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978 also.

What I'm saying is IMO you can't blame one party or their lobbies for legislation sent to the POTUS by both parties.

I will also add that it was a Democrat who introduced the Airline Deregulation Act and it passed with overwhelming support from both parties. Before this act the airlines were required to maintain their own aircraft, it has been going downhill since then..

Carter destroyed millions of union jobs, and his Airline Deregulation Act crushed unions in this industry. Clinton's signing of NAFTA eliminated almost 1 million union jobs according to the AFLCIO. Never mind his bitterly racist crime act. Sadly, Clinton forced the American Pilots back to work and signaled to the Airline CEO's that he would be the strike breaker they needed. Only 3 PEB's were ever issued for the Airline industry after a cooling off, all by scab democrats.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Since the average voter doesn’t care to pay any attention to the truth it’s not going to matter.

All they look at is what’s written on those campaign flyers (BTW payback is a beach)

NYer has tons and tons of support there. Lehive doesn't understand MIA LAA politics so him and your other handlers are just making you look bad on most things lately. When do you get your FLL gig at JetBlue Weez? After the April IAM election? Is that what they promised? BTW, the DOL would laugh at you and your false accusations against your Local. Your charges are baseless. If you run again for your local, did any of those 9 people who voted for you (8 plus you I presume) transfer or quit? If not then I guess you will get at least 9 votes. I'd vote for you for anything other than Prez if you eliminated your handlers and became your own man again. I like the old "Tell it like it is" Weez.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

If this is your concern, which I completely disagree with, I fail to see how requiring employees to get approval from the people you complain are playing favorites will improve the situation. It sounds like a scenario to make it worse.

You have given some examples of people abusing the policy, but your statement above makes it sound like that is the rule rather than the exception. I have worked in many stations, including yours I believe, and in my experience 99.9% of the thousands of CS's done each year are just people wanting to take advantage of the flexibility our jobs and our contract allows. I am skeptical that whatever bad things going on in any LAA station require a 24 hour policy remedy. I am also skeptical that 24 hours advanced notice will solve many problems. The people who abuse the system now will just abuse it 24 hours earlier. Not only do we have to worry about the company taking away perks little by little, now it appears we have to worry about each other. Punishing the majority for the mistakes of a few is a company thing to do. It really sucks that our unions want to do it now too.

It is enough to make me glad most of my career is behind me. This job used to be a lot of fun. I did not expect it to get better after 9/11 and bankruptcy. But I also did not expect our union to just roll over and accept a change that makes our schedules less flexible when it is not an expensive item for the company. I hope the TWU gang at least got a kiss from the IAM before they left that day because they were had.

And again, no, I don't do a lot of CS's. I just get irritated when people I pay to help make my job better, make it worse.

my concern is that i pay union dues and in theory we are all equal, union brothers and sisters...but the powers that be, union and company, allow some scammers to operate on airport property as if they are in their basement at home.

i've seen disparity in treatment towards good workers, assets to the company...whether it's with the cs policy, death in a family, subjective sick leave discipline, enforcing d-1 language, treating people like garbage and getting away with it, mpr hours, and kiss-asses getting secret overtime.

i've told higher-ups in the union to be careful that the perception is that you are a personal attorney for a few bad clerks...and rightly or wrongly, these higher-ups lost subsequent elections.

excuse my sarcasm when it comes to worrying about new cs language. like i said, some clever fscs are not worried at all.

 

[gulfcoast1]

The AA Reservation agents can put in a shift swap up to 1 hr before start time. Airport agents has to be before 1600hrs the day before

Yes those of us who work at the airport are getting screwed for no reason. Why do people we pay to negotiate for us agree to this bull?

 

[gulfcoast1]

excuse my sarcasm when it comes to worrying about new cs language. like i said, some clever fscs are not worried at all.

It sounds like we agree that a 24 hour rule will not resolve the widespread CS corruption that is bringing this, gasp, company and union down, and it will mostly just punish the poor folks who abide by the rules and now will have one more hurdle imposed on us by agreement of our union officials who are supposed to be making our work lives easier, not harder. With attitudes like this from my brothers and sisters, it doesn't really matter much what management wants to do because we are doing it to ourselves. The new CS policies, if this is what they end up being, are pathetic and I am worried about what other 'improvements' are being brought to us. This sucks.

 

[WeAAsles]

a hot european coffee goes well with a payday bar.

i have a $600 saeco odea myself.

if i was a local president and had a secret slush fund, i focus on paying a competent secretary.

Actually the Local gave the Secretary a raise as well but I find that completely acceptable as she EARNS every Dollar that’s paid to her where some others don’t.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

and it will mostly just punish the poor folks who abide by the rules

that's all the money right there.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Carter destroyed millions of union jobs, and his Airline Deregulation Act crushed unions in this industry. Clinton's signing of NAFTA eliminated almost 1 million union jobs according to the AFLCIO. Never mind his bitterly racist crime act. Sadly, Clinton forced the American Pilots back to work and signaled to the Airline CEO's that he would be the strike breaker they needed. Only 3 PEB's were ever issued for the Airline industry after a cooling off, all by scab democrats.

Actually, Deregulation ended up CREATING more union jobs, including the position you are supposedly in NOW! Again, the record proves NAFTA was Reagan and Bush ideology. It was their economist with their lobbyist support, that presented, crafted, and and wrote the language.

I guess you are going to claim the National Right to work act is also Democratic bill as well?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ins-in-washington_us_5891fb30e4b0522c7d3e354d

 

[NYer]

a hot european coffee goes well with a payday bar.

i have a $600 saeco odea myself.

if i was a local president and had a secret slush fund, i focus on paying a competent secretary.

Everyone in the organization had their stipend updated. The last time it was adjusted was more than 10 years ago by then Local President Alex García and the group who was in office with him, some of which, happen to be the same guys W ran with last election cycle. They lost to the current Administration and that is still a sore subject with W so don't mention it. 🙄

 

[P. REZ]

It sounds like we agree that a 24 hour rule will not resolve the widespread CS corruption that is bringing this, gasp, company and union down, and it will mostly just punish the poor folks who abide by the rules and now will have one more hurdle imposed on us by agreement of our union officials who are supposed to be making our work lives easier, not harder. With attitudes like this from my brothers and sisters, it doesn't really matter much what management wants to do because we are doing it to ourselves. The new CS policies, if this is what they end up being, are pathetic and I am worried about what other 'improvements' are being brought to us. This sucks.

Maybe you missed but 1600 the day prior is the worst case scenario. It isn't 24 hours prior. It's for any shift starting after midnight. If your local rep gets your local management to agree, it can be 1 hour prior to shift.

P. Rez

 

[NYer]

If this is your concern, which I completely disagree with, I fail to see how requiring employees to get approval from the people you complain are playing favorites will improve the situation. It sounds like a scenario to make it worse.

You have given some examples of people abusing the policy, but your statement above makes it sound like that is the rule rather than the exception. I have worked in many stations, including yours I believe, and in my experience 99.9% of the thousands of CS's done each year are just people wanting to take advantage of the flexibility our jobs and our contract allows. I am skeptical that whatever bad things going on in any LAA station require a 24 hour policy remedy. I am also skeptical that 24 hours advanced notice will solve many problems. The people who abuse the system now will just abuse it 24 hours earlier. Not only do we have to worry about the company taking away perks little by little, now it appears we have to worry about each other. Punishing the majority for the mistakes of a few is a company thing to do. It really sucks that our unions want to do it now too.

It is enough to make me glad most of my career is behind me. This job used to be a lot of fun. I did not expect it to get better after 9/11 and bankruptcy. But I also did not expect our union to just roll over and accept a change that makes our schedules less flexible when it is not an expensive item for the company. I hope the TWU gang at least got a kiss from the IAM before they left that day because they were had.

And again, no, I don't do a lot of CS's. I just get irritated when people I pay to help make my job better, make it worse.

In the MIA TWU experience, the need for the same day CS approval has more to do with ensuring all CS's are properly identified for Manning purposes.

The Manning is printed and circulated, largely the night prior, for the next day. By having the CS's approved by CSM they can ensure the Manning are updated manually after they're printed and distributed.