American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

DCA - IAM
ATL- TWU
MCO- TWU
What are the odds of a 2 downline station local? 0%
So it's gonna happen just not sure when, but please let it be soon

Heard it was 512, but that was a couple of years ago.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Again... the PBGC is NOT part of the IAMNPF--- quit trying to connect dots that are miles apart!
The only "truth" to your argument is that "hypothetically" the PBGC could have to absorb the IAM pension. The word COULD is true among anything...
There COULD, hypothetically be a multiverse where at least one, has a duplicate Earth that is ruled exclusively by Tim Nelson... hypothetically this is possible...

However, here in this universe, Tim Nelson has difficulty selling his goods!

>SPIT<

huh? No its not but your comments dont further the discussion or even discuss the serious pts of my comments. We all have an interest in furthering the pbgc funding. I dont want my pension at ground zero.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

huh? No its not but your comments dont further the discussion or even discuss the serious pts of my comments. We all have an interest in furthering the pbgc funding. I dont want my pension at ground zero.

PBGC funding is now nothing more than a national political problem, as is Social Security, and Medicare, which are slated to become insolvent as well. Those issues have as much relevance as your detached PBGC argument, as there is nothing that can be done in Labor Negotiations to correct it.
As I said... this is a national political issue, and will have to resolved in future congressional and general elections, OUTSIDE of Airline/Union scope...

Attempting to correlate the PBGC with IAMNPF was an intentional slight of hand that has become your hallmark. You would have NEVER let readers here know the difference, if I had not called you out! Fortunately, everyone reading nere now knows that you operate for political and divisive reasons.

'Everyone'... except of course a handful of your digital sock-puppets that parrot your sentiment, and swoop into the forum in your support, and defense.

>SPIT<

 

[title 2]

PBGC funding is now nothing more than a national political problem, as is Social Security, and Medicare, which are slated to become insolvent as well. Those issues have as much relevance as your detached PBGC argument, as there is nothing that can be done in Labor Negotiations to correct it.
As I said... this is a national political issue, and will have to resolved in future congressional and general elections, OUTSIDE of Airline/Union scope...

Attempting to correlate the PBGC with IAMNPF was an intentional slight of hand that has become your hallmark. You would have NEVER let readers here know the difference, if I had not called you out! Fortunately, everyone reading nere now knows that you operate for political and divisive reasons.

'Everyone'... except of course a handful of your digital sock-puppets that parrot your sentiment, and swoop into the forum in your support, and defense.

>SPIT<

You seem to not understand I am LAA I get more money put in my 401K than the company puts in your IAMNPF and I keep and control that money not my union. The only way that my retirement money gets reduced is if the US economy goes into the tank and I would bet more on the US economy than your union. You have to look out for yourself not rely on a defined pension plan that can get reduced. If you have issues with this keep your ignorance to yourself I don't want to hear your stupidity.

 

[Buck]

How much did you Gross last year?

Since the raise that brought me equal to my peers, $138,000, $138,000 and about $115,000. This is including overtime.

 

[Buck]

I will tell you this about AMFA they talk a good game. If they are at a healthy company they can get you a decent contract. But if your company gets in trouble they will fight to the last day. Instead of working with management. They have no strike fund. Most of the dues money goes to the law firm Seham. Every time you suggest to try to shop for a new law firm you will be shot down. It takes forever to get a full-blown contract done. You guys would be better off, starting an independent mechanics union, ran by American Airlines mechanics, plus whatever workgroup you want to put in there. Just like our pilots have SWAPA.

Good that you have the ability to have open negotiations and the free flow of information from your National.

 

[WeAAsles]

Since the raise that brought me equal to my peers, $138,000, $138,000 and about $115,000. This is including overtime.

Ok I only Grossed one income at AA last year since I’m only one person so I’m going to roll with your first numbers then and say $138,000.

Well something is off here then that I’m not getting? TWU is a Socialist Union you claim? How did I only earn HALF what you earned then? I mean it can’t have anything to do with my lack of Education and Job skills right?

Oh and before you say that the Company gave that to you and not TWU, true. But the TWU did need to sign off to accept those raises. Can you explain to me in our Socialist Union why those Bastards didn’t sign off for you and I to make say $85,000 so it’s not so unfair that you made TWICE what I made last year?

Another thing BTW. Did you read the comment by TWU regarding the McCaskill Legislation?

AIRCRAFT MECHANICS AGAIN!!!!! No mention again for us little FLEET SERVICE????? I’m beginning to think the TWU hates us.

 

[WeAAsles]

Business
The Days of the Airline Strike May Be Over
Frontier’s pilots are ready to walk, but industry consolidation may cause the government to say no. The industry is watching.

The union, the Air Line Pilots Association, has been agitating for a new agreement since March 2016. The 1,200 pilots at Frontier say they earn 40 percent less than the industry’s prevailing wage. Even with such a persuasive case, it’s unclear whether the U.S. government will allow a strike at Frontier—or any other national carrier—to proceed. The reason? The industry consolidation that followed all those bankruptcies may arguably make a single strike too much for the U.S. economy to bear.

Airline employees are governed by the Railway Labor Act, which renders work stoppages more difficult because the law essentially requires government permission. Once granted, a president can further delay a strike by convening an emergency board to assess the parties’ complaints. The last national pilot strike was eight years ago at a much-smaller Spirit Airlines Inc. That five-day job action accomplished its goal, exerting sufficient pressure on the company to land a contract.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...paign=headline&cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Obama hosed over the union members by approving new rules that favor the pension bosses

You can't blame anything on Obama now. Republicans control ALL of Congress, the Supreme Court, the majority of all elected state lawmakers, and the Presidency! They control EVERYTHING!

There should be no problem for them to "fix" all of this -- Wait... they spent the money needed to fix this under funding problem on tax cuts for billionaires, and corporations. The rest went to the military!

>SPIT<

 

[PIEDMONT784]

You seem to not understand I am LAA I get more money put in my 401K than the company puts in your IAMNPF and I keep and control that money not my union. The only way that my retirement money gets reduced is if the US economy goes into the tank and I would bet more on the US economy than your union. You have to look out for yourself not rely on a defined pension plan that can get reduced. If you have issues with this keep your ignorance to yourself I don't want to hear your stupidity.

Then go read somewhere else... or read THIS -- https://401kspecialistmag.com/6-reasons-401k-scam-wait/#.WxqXjO4vyM8

And this -- https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/13/four-reasons-why-your-401k-may-be-a-giant-rip-off.html

 

[737823]

You can't blame anything on Obama now. Republicans control ALL of Congress, the Supreme Court, the majority of all elected state lawmakers, and the Presidency! They control EVERYTHING!

There should be no problem for them to "fix" all of this -- Wait... they spent the money needed to fix this under funding problem on tax cuts for billionaires, and corporations. The rest went to the military!

>SPIT<

If that even were the case explain why we haven’t had much needed entitlement reform that is bankrupting our country? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Secuirty, TANF, EBT/SNAP/Food Stamps programs rife with abuse that promote dependency and rob people of their dignity.

Josh

 

[Buck]

Ok I only Grossed one income at AA last year since I’m only one person so I’m going to roll with your first numbers then and say $138,000.

Well something is off here then that I’m not getting? TWU is a Socialist Union you claim? How did I only earn HALF what you earned then? I mean it can’t have anything to do with my lack of Education and Job skills right?

Oh and before you say that the Company gave that to you and not TWU, true. But the TWU did need to sign off to accept those raises. Can you explain to me in our Socialist Union why those Bastards didn’t sign off for you and I to make say $85,000 so it’s not so unfair that you made TWICE what I made last year?

Another thing BTW. Did you read the comment by TWU regarding the McCaskill Legislation?

not yet

AIRCRAFT MECHANICS AGAIN!!!!! No mention again for us little FLEET SERVICE????? I’m beginning to think the TWU hates us.

maybe but they love your money.

Your very thought process is what has you confused. First, it is ok for you to earn at or near the top of your peers while the mechanics ride the bottom at American. Now that the new company decided to bring wages on par with our peers at LUS, as well as Fleet? you don't like the fact that now as a capitalist I enjoy what my profession pays me and the wage numbers I gave you are with overtime. The TWU started with Miker Quill with funding from the communist's party.

No this was all company to get the rights to work on each others aircraft. It is one salary and not two.

http://snaccooperative.org/ark:/99166/w6wd7tk7

The Transport Workers Union of America came into existence in 1934 as a result of organizing efforts by a core group of workers on New York's Interborough Rapid Transit system, with assistance from Communist Party activists.

 

[WeAAsles]

maybe but they love your money.

Your very thought process is what has you confused. First, it is ok for you to earn at or near the top of your peers while the mechanics ride the bottom at American. Now that the new company decided to bring wages on par with our peers at LUS, as well as Fleet? you don't like the fact that now as a capitalist I enjoy what my profession pays me and the wage numbers I gave you are with overtime. The TWU started with Miker Quill with funding from the communist's party.

No this was all company to get the rights to work on each others aircraft. It is one salary and not two.

http://snaccooperative.org/ark:/99166/w6wd7tk7

The Transport Workers Union of America came into existence in 1934 as a result of organizing efforts by a core group of workers on New York's Interborough Rapid Transit system, with assistance from Communist Party activists.

Wow wait a minute. How freakin old are you if you want to take me back to 1934 man?

And I don’t care what you guys here on Forums say 100 times cause I’m going to hit the ball back to you 100 times that you only made for some years here and there less than (YOUR PEERS) (Your peer always being Michael Jordon to you) because you had far more JOBS. Under other Airlines you may not have stayed in Tulsa and could have wound up in JFK but that don’t matter right.

I don’t like what you make? WTF seriously is wrong with you? I don’t give 2 chits what you make. I’m glad you’re well compensated. I hope one day you can figure out in your own mind that you’re doing ok and can find your own economic happiness. I DON’T like how some of you guys think if I make LESS you can make MORE though. For you Mechanics (maybe not you) who think that way “FU” Seriously “FU” Keep your Greedy chitty hands out of MY pockets you S Bag F’s. (Many of your guys DO think that way Buck)

BTW if TWU is such a complete Socialist Union under Samuelsen then explain to me why the guy can’t stand the Mayor of NYC Bill Deblasio? A REAL Socialist or maybe even Communist?

Oh and yea TWU is a NYC Union with a NYC attitude. I LOVE IT!!!!!!

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Because I spent 2 years as PT I probably would have been barely vested and maybe would have received $100 a month for all I know?

well, many fscs really didn't lose 'that much'...those that already had around 30 years or so at the time when the pension stopped accruing in 2012. those guys are looking at around $2,400 a month....the same amount i would have gotten at age 62, if aa never filed.

maybe you or NYer can break down the what/why/how come the shares were broken down and given to us...but these guys didn't really lose anything in regards to a pension. $125 a month??

i don't begrudge any of that, but i do get offended that they push for a 'yes' on anything TAed because they fear any hint of a future BK and losing what they didn't lose. no dialogue allowed because i don't want to lose what you lost.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

If that even were the case explain why we haven’t had much needed entitlement reform that is bankrupting our country? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Secuirty, TANF, EBT/SNAP/Food Stamps programs rife with abuse that promote dependency and rob people of their dignity.

Josh

the political posts only illustrate to me the effect of corporatism upon the american citizen.

in 1956, during the republican convention where eisenhower was nominated to run again, the republican party:

- bragged that it hiked minimum wage for 2 million low-wage workers.

- bragged that it expanded social security to 10 million more americans and increased benefits for 6.5 million more americans.

- bragged the 2 million more americans had joined unions.

all this during eisenhower's 1st term. eishenhower also cut defense spending by nearly 30% after the korean war and put that money back into the usa. infrastructure and the interstates. we know that the ex-general was a stickler for balancing the budget.

when it comes to workers and the middle-class, i don't recognize any of that as platforms or certainly anything to brag about from today's republican party.

at the same time, the democrats abandoned labor for a higher road? the social politics/identity politics road??

either way, we in labor, have no friends.