American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Kev3188]

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at the same time, the democrats abandoned labor for a higher road? the social politics/identity politics road??

either way, we in labor, have no friends.

I don't know that they have abandoned us so much as taken our vote for granted.

Delta doesn’t have Unions and Kev makes quite a bit more than me with his Benefits and PS. Why is he doing so great money wise?

Because there is no price too high to maintain autocracy.

huh?
Look, if you want to detach the pbgc away from the sinking iam pension then you also have to say there is no guarantee and our pensions will all be zero in 15 years after a couple more benefit curs first. Thank you for finally admitting that the pension is a ponzie scheme like SS.The difference is that our pension has been run by a moron who was buffys buddy. The investment losses are staggering still. Never mind the looting for lavish trips and $1600 bottle of wine.

It's 2018. Why are we (labor) even still talking about multi-employer pensions?

It's because we get it, all unions are a business and when we all move up, we all benefit.

YES!!!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

What nonsense, at least, as it relates to those involved with this board, as even according to your link...
"However, small businesses generally don't have the same bargaining power as employers with large retirement plans. In 2014, plans with less than $10 million in assets cost 1.02 percent, while plans with over $1 billion in assets cost 0.30 percent..."

Somehow I suspect AA, DL and SW (and whoever other employee groups visiting this board) do not fall under the category of "small businesses". Was this part of your on-going attempts to obfuscate and become deliberately obtuse, thus garner support for a pension which has already slashed future retiree benefits by over 30%?

To be sure huge fees and expenses are a major issue in the lucrative 401k retirement business, but let's not automatically assume that means retirement savings outside of a pension to automatically become a "giant rip-off"-- especially as your beloved IAMNPF has hardly been devoid of questionable spending and professional fees.

with my 401k, ive accumulated over $1 million with an investment of my own money of only $50,000 since 1992. Toss in around $25,000 from the company till 2003 and its done a helluva lot better than even a healthy pension. Not sure why some claim a 401k avg 8% a year as my last 3 years have all been over 25%.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't know that they have abandoned us so much as taken our vote for granted.



Because there is no price too high to maintain autocracy.



It's 2018. Why are we (labor) even still talking about multi-employer pensions?



YES!!!!!

if we are able to win the GL election, im goin to sit down and be honest with the in house DL ramp organizing team and see if you guys want to move frwd knowing almost certainly that many of you will be contract out quickly.
But I believe we can win a court case which must be fought and secure a positive outcome for most DL workers after a court verdict (5years maybe). And im not goin to hose you guys with the iam pension.

Unfortunately, i disagree with the current iam organizing drive for dl and JB ramp because the current corporate unionism of the iam is a business model that will certainly destroy all JB and DL jobs other than jfk or atl. They wont fight it out and Ready Reserve will take over in a sellout contract. Remember, the iam was the father of ready reserve as the twu is the father of the B scale.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

Piedmont Express agents signed a contract with Piedmont Inc. August 6,2012 and it became amendable February 5.2017

The Piedmont contract

http://unionhall.cwalocals.org/system/files/cwa-piedmont_cba_2012-17.pdf


Envoy Air Inc. is now negotiating their first contract with their agents

The mediation board gave TWU 5 stations including my station at IAH for the ramp. The rest went to CWA in stations that they perform above and below the wing. Negotiations starts for the ramp finally at the end of this month. They don't want to wait for American negotiations finish to see if they will take IAH back. I think it's going to be interesting being we have 23 mainline flights minimum a day. I can't see American leaving that in Envoy's hands. CWA has Operations, Bag Hygiene and BSO. Supposedly they are close to a deal.
Piedmont agents in CLT turned down their deal. They may end up in mediation. They offered something like $11.50 or so to start with about $19+ top out. Damn shame.

 

[Kev3188]

What is “bag hygiene?”

 

[B737 driver]

if we are able to win the GL election, im goin to sit down and be honest with the in house DL ramp organizing team and see if you guys want to move frwd knowing almost certainly that many of you will be contract out quickly.
But I believe we can win a court case which must be fought and secure a positive outcome for most DL workers after a court verdict (5years maybe). And im not goin to hose you guys with the iam pension.

Unfortunately, i disagree with the current iam organizing drive for dl and JB ramp because the current corporate unionism of the iam is a business model that will certainly destroy all JB and DL jobs other than jfk or atl. They wont fight it out and Ready Reserve will take over in a sellout contract. Remember, the iam was the father of ready reserve as the twu is the father of the B scale.

If they get Atanta, JFK , and all the major Delta or Jet Blue bases, if the people get their raises and more money, they will not care about part time or whatever happens in the small stations, especially if they are new to the IAM.

 

[Steve Walegir]

Below is a link if anyone would like to sign an online petition for the negotiating team to TA the agreement before the September, Section 6 openers in September, 2018.



https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/maintenance-and-related-tentative-agreement.html

I'll pass but good luck.

 

[T5towbar]

If that even were the case explain why we haven’t had much needed entitlement reform that is bankrupting our country? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Secuirty, TANF, EBT/SNAP/Food Stamps programs rife with abuse that promote dependency and rob people of their dignity.

Josh

Ask the vendors you see at your local airport, and you will know why these programs are needed.
People are WORKING and still can't ends meet. So don't totally blame the people who need the programs.
The "Great Heist of 2018", proves that nearly all of that tax cut the Corporations got went to stock buybacks. My airline just bought back nearly a billion in stocks. But we all will be paying more in medical and SALT taxes (which is why I understand the IAM people fighting for their lower cost medical) next year. But this is for another conversation and another thread in the

 

[Kev3188]

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But I believe we can win a court case which must be fought and secure a positive outcome for most DL workers after a court verdict (5years maybe).

On what grounds could you take them to court? Wouldn't they just cite case law precedent?

 

[737823]

So in IAH you got three entities Piedmont Express, Envoy, mainline AA all working 26 mainline flights. Now that sounds like one big harmonized party

There is no LAA TWU at IAH, was contracted out in bankruptcy. There are however LAA mainline passenger service agents.

Josh

 

[737823]

Ask the vendors you see at your local airport, and you will know why these programs are needed.
People are WORKING and still can't ends meet. So don't totally blame the people who need the programs.
The "Great Heist of 2018", proves that nearly all of that tax cut the Corporations got went to stock buybacks. My airline just bought back nearly a billion in stocks. But we all will be paying more in medical and SALT taxes (which is why I understand the IAM people fighting for their lower cost medical) next year. But this is for another conversation and another thread in the

I hear you but my response was to Piedmont's notion that since Republicans have control of everything there would be sweeping changes to labor laws and entitlement reform. It is a complicated issue but I think we can all agree that all of these programs have elements of abuse and are in need of reform. Unions like the IAM who enter into McGee and UGE type deals are enablers of this dependency on the government.

Josh

 

[737823]

Never said there was
Who said there was?

You said mainline AA. The workgroups and agreements are still separate except for your passenger service.

And IAH was one of the largest cities contracted out.

Josh

 

[737823]

Let’s get Josh spun up

You mean like Christopher Samuel "Kit" Bond

That was the TWA SLI legislation nothing to do with low wage ground handlers.

And your CWA keeps stirring the pot on TWA by trying to give them full DOH in the 2015 agreement and what AFA-CWA leadership has said over the years about APFA and TWA F/As getting full DOH.

Josh

 

[737823]

Ultimately it does

Thanks’ for this republican hooking his wagon up

Why did CWA want to give TWA full seniority in 2015?

Josh

 

[B737 driver]

I hear you but my response was to Piedmont's notion that since Republicans have control of everything there would be sweeping changes to labor laws and entitlement reform. It is a complicated issue but I think we can all agree that all of these programs have elements of abuse and are in need of reform. Unions like the IAM who enter into McGee and UGE type deals are enablers of this dependency on the government.

Josh

737 Josh when the IAM enter into McGee and UGE are you questioning what they negotiate for wages, causing government dependency? What do you feel is the going marketing rates for these type Jobs. I remember when I first got my A&P while in the Navy, when I got out McDonnell Douglas wanted to hire me in Long Beach only starting at $10 an hour. United at Oakland starting at $13. But I choose the Midway Airlines in Chicago , because they started me at $15. What United and M/D wanted to pay, you couldn't make it in California. I consider myself a moderate, there needs to be reforms yes. But there also needs to be a balance between Capitalism and greed that drives prices up, especially on the medical side where people can't afford it. Perfect example if you look up these cancer drugs they advertise on T.V., they are anywhere, such as Keytruda $13,000 to $15,000 a month.