American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

TWU Local 512 -

Equity Update

September 08, 2018

Dear Brother and Sisters,

The International has advised us that the IRS is in the process of returning the 6.1 million dollars they have been holding with regards to the connection of Equity trust fund.

As those funds are being returned, they will work to finalize all outstanding expenses and continue to coordinate with American and ComputerShare.

The anticipation for the final distribution would be sometime in late October, as we receive more details we will release to our members.

Juan Elvira
President
TWU Local 512

dvlhog can I ask why you find this information funny?

 

[AANOTOK]

AANOTOk
My apologies as my one post last night was a little off on the 401k offer from the company. It is not a 5.5 % automatic contribution with 4 % Match in the company’s offer. It is a 5% auto with 4% match to equal 9% total. I was thinking about our current contribution into the pension today is at 5.5% to equal the twu,s 401k. Sorry for the confusion.

I think you meant Al, but that’s cool, I’m sure he will see it.

 

[WeAAsles]

No weekly update on negotiations this week. This would have been the last update under our CBA before it becomes amendable. No talks this month scheduled and no update this past week. What do we pay union dues for? This is a crucial point in negotiations as far as time line goes.
CBA becomes amendable.
Holiday season approaching.
2019 is around the corner.
Possibly another year of status que.

Although I never expect an answer from you, I’m going to write this anyway.

How do you suppose to force the Company to call or come to the table? Besides the fact that your old favorite AMFA took 6 years to come to a deal and that deal has been recommended as a no and looks like it’s going to take even LONGER to be solved.

BTW as much as we might prefer otherwise the two sides are not going to talk every single week. If neither side is prepared to move on something what do you expect them to talk about?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

NYer was finally posting great info again but then weez got jealous and came back.

Weez does post some cool videos and he is useful to put forth the iam flag.

since i'm not a fan of certain c/c scams, i think NYer is covering his tracks.

i know there is a c/c brotherhood, but i'd ask him what he considers 'flex' as opposed to a specified bid shift - and at what point is a c/c out of line moving the manning furniture around.

he may say that a c/c is never out of line when it's a c/c vs. fsc issue. i know of one issue between 2 C/Cs and the local resolved the issue quickly and fairly (imo) of the c/c with the 'bid' shift.

why would i pay dues to a union/local that sides with an a$$hole c/c who is clearly using his power to take care of friends and punish others?

an injustice to one is an injustice to all??

 

[T5towbar]

the angry ones are the ua leads...they are the ones who got f@cked with the co merger.

ua/iam has their lead seniority when they became a lead. co/a few decades of no union representation-late teamster representation, took a lead position with their hiring date.

akin to how the seniority will work out with laa-lus merger. hiring date vs. occupational and not company seniority/hiring date seniority.

Yeah..... A lot of people got pissed off in this deal, because there were two distinct systems in play: Legacy UA leads were topped out when they upgraded, but fell back into the lead seniority list. Legacy CO people had different lead dates, because some were allowed to downgrade back, and upgrade if a slot opened up. But only got the 1.75 upgrade pay. I have been a lead for about 17 years, and even if systems changed, my lead date would fall about the same percentile. So I think that was one of the compromises, because the company claimed they could not find the exact lead dates for the sCO people. We also had/have an acting lead pool, were experienced people would run a gate and get the override if needed. Plus, they also can day trade with a lead because they are in the acting pool. (one good thing is that there are more people that can pick up lead day trades) Now that the system went to the IAM way, if you upgrade, you don't get topped out, but fall in the lead seniority list. So no one want's the job, and in my hub, a few people got junior-manned into the job, because we were/are short of leads. This is a hub thing, though.....Just wanted to clear that up. It was one of the parts of the Javits decision.

 

[swamt]

I know why you made that post. And I know what was said. I can’t control what all is said. My goal is, is to make sure the people that are frustrated which I’m pretty sure your one of them, ( sorry if I’m wrong ) as well as the people that aren’t, are getting the correct info. If we come to your station and answer your questions and you choose not to believe the info? Then ok. But at least you say you’ll be there. I can respect that. I can’t respect people choosing to not show up, but still cry about no info.

Don't get me wrong here as I agree with you taking the time to go around system and update the membership in person. However, this should have been done from day one. Why now, all of a sudden, is the urgency? A bit too late for most. I too agree with the complainers that won't attend, but, this asso. has brought the frustrations and pissed off attitudes towards the asso on themselves. Waited way too long to finally now get the membership updated, should have been done from first day sit down. To me it appears as the asso is trying to put a band-aid on where surgery is needed.

 

[swamt]

No 591 weekly update on negotiations this week. This would have been the last update under our CBA before it becomes amendable. No talks this month scheduled and no update this past week. What do we pay union dues for? This is a crucial point in negotiations as far as time line goes.
CBA becomes amendable.
Holiday season approaching.
2019 is around the corner.
Possibly another year of status que.

At least CB is saying he will travel to update membership. Oh, wait, never mind that's only for the fleet boys...

 

[swamt]

Never mind the possibility, if not, probability the economy goes south, it is becoming more likely that the pilots and f/a's ill be in contract negotiations and we will be put even further away on the back burner.

The economy will not look so good forever.

Good points. The more reason to get into a class/craft mechanics union. Even CB has admitted that they are ONLY updating the fleet boys only around the system. Nothing whatsoever about updating the other 2 groups members. Pretty sad isn't it? HAD ENOUGH YET??? Sign them cards and get rid of this worthless fleet union...

 

[Racer X]

Good points. The more reason to get into a class/craft mechanics union. Even CB has admitted that they are ONLY updating the fleet boys only around the system. Nothing whatsoever about updating the other 2 groups members. Pretty sad isn't it? HAD ENOUGH YET??? Sign them cards and get rid of this worthless fleet union...

What CB said was that he was speaking for fleet only...that is because he is fleet. He didn’t say one way or the other about Mtc and related. Perhaps they have their own plans??

 

[P. REZ]

Good points. The more reason to get into a class/craft mechanics union. Even CB has admitted that they are ONLY updating the fleet boys only around the system. Nothing whatsoever about updating the other 2 groups members. Pretty sad isn't it? HAD ENOUGH YET??? Sign them cards and get rid of this worthless fleet union...

swamt,

CB and I represent fleet only, as far as I know, zero reps from MX are on this page.

P. Rez

 

[conehead777]

At least CB is saying he will travel to update membership. Oh, wait, never mind that's only for the fleet boys...

Because us AMTS are not important to the association. They want our dues money that’s all. Mechanics sign your amp cards today.

 

[conehead777]

swamt,

CB and I represent fleet only, as far as I know, zero reps from MX are on this page.

P. Rez

Well because this association sux for us in maintance we are the step children the only time the association thinks of us is when they get our dues money are have a card drive. Let me ask you something prez do you think the mechanics would be having a card drive if we were getting what our union dues paid for equal fair representation. We get less sick time then fleet and stores and less vacation then stores. It shouldn’t matter if any maintenance reps on this page they should have road shows also. But I bet there to afraid to visit us they know we are angry

 

[Kev3188]

Boz Scaggs is underrated.

Set the tone.

 

[swamt]

What CB said was that he was speaking for fleet only...that is because he is fleet. He didn’t say one way or the other about Mtc and related. Perhaps they have their own plans??

I know everything CB said. My post was a sarcastic post towards the asso. and how they are leaving the entire membership in the dark. I actually praise CB for taking the effort to get out in person and answer some questions. But I ask you, why in the heck do they never give any more info about nego's than what articles have or have not been T/A'd? Start telling the membership the details the company is asking for, like, how many heads and jobs will be cut, reduced, chopped, or displaced. They have only recently (since the card drive) to get a tad bit more of info out.
The mtc side of this asso has no plans whatsoever to go around and update in person, let alone on union updates, the membership with anything more than what articles T/A'd and did not T/A.

swamt,

CB and I represent fleet only, as far as I know, zero reps from MX are on this page.

P. Rez

No offence personally P. REZ but, the way you guys are delivering information is just sad and pathetic. It has only recently been better info coming out about how many heads and jobs are at risk, and, this just started coming out about 1-2 months ago if that. And still not revealing all the info. The less informed you keep your membership the less they will be willing to back the NC when the time comes and both of you should better dam well know this. I praise both CB and you for taking the time to come on here in the threads to answer questions as you guys didn't start doing that until some time after nego's started. BUT, both of you are purposely leaving a lot if information out and it seems as if you guys are being directed to do so with the very vague updates. Put it ALL out there and let them make their own decisions from there. Just as an example of good updates with all details, try visiting the AMFA National website and read thru all the updates from day one of nego's and compare them to this asso updates, it is night and day and both you and CB know this. I will end with not trying to slam you and CB, but you guys are the only ones out here representing the asso with the updates. The updates are lacking crucial information for the members, can we at least start getting this asso to start changing that? Just to give you an example; even the weez didn't know how bad the scope ask was until I enlightened him then you guys finally came on here and validated it. That's pretty sad when I know more than one of your own members, so what does that tell ya.
Again P. REZ, I do praise you guys for doing a little bit more than what the asso is doing to update the membership, but, there is a lot of room for improvement. Good luck to you and your nego cmte in future nego's. I will leave you with one last question though. What was the sudden change not long ago by the company coming back asking for way more scope than they were both for fleet and mtc? Remember wez was reporting that scope was all said and done for fleet then bam, all of a sudden the company started wanting more, what gives???

 

[swamt]

Because us AMTS are not important to the association. They want our dues money that’s all. Mechanics sign your amp cards today.

Well because this association sux for us in maintance we are the step children the only time the association thinks of us is when they get our dues money are have a card drive. Let me ask you something prez do you think the mechanics would be having a card drive if we were getting what our union dues paid for equal fair representation. We get less sick time then fleet and stores and less vacation then stores. It shouldn’t matter if any maintenance reps on this page they should have road shows also. But I bet there to afraid to visit us they know we are angry

The asso needs to keep hearing this. They are being very passive about the mechanics because they are a fleet union so their main objective is to focus on fleet boys since they rule in the numbers.
Hey, did someone stop Peterson from giving updates and video's? Haven't heard from him in some time now. Very, very quiet on the front lines now, wondering what we will see soon with all being so quiet lately and NO future meetings scheduled for nego's this month.
Good luck on replacing this fiasco of an asso for you mechanics, hope a vote comes by end of year still...